Do you feel this place has gotten more.. reddit-y lately?

https://lemmynsfw.com/post/586799

Do you feel this place has gotten more.. reddit-y lately? - Lemmy NSFW

Of course, that’s to be expected, with people migrating from Reddit and all, but the title is kind of badly worded. Feel there’s a lot more argumentative and just kind of… angry users on here. (have you seen Sync fans biting everyone’s asses over saying money should be spent funding instances and not an app?) Live laugh love Lemmy though :)

I have noticed an uptick in trolling in the past few weeks, since around the same time as the attacks began. They usually delete if you call them out.
I’ve started using the block button liberally. Specifically on users that seem to be only interested in stirring the pot and not actually interested in having any kind of actual discussion. I also just blocked a weird influx of porn bots linking the strangest domains on [email protected] that were all created yesterday

I rarely blocked people on reddit but the pool is much smaller here so you tend to run into the same troll repeatedly or they spam throughout ansingle thread

Ive taken to just reporting and blocking left and right because i dont have the mental bandwidth to spend on someone who is looking for fights and not legitimate arguments

I’m exactly the same!
Oh my Reddit blocklist was huge. There was a subreddit for my city I was fairly active in but it was just always littered with unabashed racists that I would block all the time, they would get banned, they would make a new account to keep being racist, I would block again.
I felt like local communities were disappointing for the most part, since I’d expect it to be people talking about interesting activities or events happening where they lived. But, majority of the content seemed to be filled with break ins or murder news and complaining about how trash everything is. Occasionally some useful threads about where to find ___ in the city or what services people recommend for ___, but that seemed to be the rate exceptions. So not something you really visited or subscribed to unless I had a specific local question to ask.
I noticed the botspam too. I submitted a report, but I have no idea where it goes. lol Someone else said it was loaded with malware though. I didn’t click on any of it to find out, personally. Better safe than sorry.
I saw on another thread that reports are sent to both your instance’s administrator/moderators and the reported person’s instance administrators/moderators
How DO you block people on Lemmy anyhow? I can’t seem to find the button for it, I just seem to be able to block subs as a whole.
I use the mobile web client and it’s just in the 3 dots menu on a comment/post to report and to block. By memory it’s the same on the desktop web client too
Ah, see - that’s not on old.lemmy for some reason. I guess I gotta use the ‘normal’ interface to access it.

I’ve started blocking communities left and right to try and tailor my experience more. Sync related communities are on the list of things I blocked.

I wish as a user I could block entire instances without running my own instance. It would make the blocking efforts much easier.

This seems like such a (relatively) simple fix, I’m surprised it hasn’t been implemented yet. I’m almost tempted to try writing a PR of my own at this point.

It sounds like if you do, they’ll merge it.

lemm.ee/comment/1860995

Do you feel this place has gotten more.. reddit-y lately? - lemm.ee

Of course, that’s to be expected, with people migrating from Reddit and all, but the title is kind of badly worded. Feel there’s a lot more argumentative and just kind of… angry users on here. (have you seen Sync fans biting everyone’s asses over saying money should be spent funding instances and not an app?) Live laugh love Lemmy though :)

Yes … yes … more isolation, more bubbles…
You think people should be forced to see things they don’t want to?
it does seem to me that the people that whinge about bubbles are mostly people espousing reprehensible opinions, while ironically being most aligned with the people in the deepest conservative bubbles.
Gee I wonder what kind of opinion the person who down voted you has

It’s not seeing it that’s the problem, it’s commenting on something, then being attacked for wrong-think, because the instance is tied to a certain ideology that I don’t hold. Someone specifically told me to find another instance, basically telling me not to poke their bubble. I’m trying to honor that, as well as my sanity. I’m willing to have discussions, but it seems others aren’t. They just downvote like crazy and attack me as a person instead of various arguments or ideas. If that’s how it’s going to be, I don’t want to accidentally stumble into it.

There is also a significant amount of cartoon animal porn. I think about 40 of the spaces I blocked were for that. I’m just not interested in seeing that. I’d like to block the instance that hosts most of it, rather than having to block countless individual spaces as I happen across a giant animal dick banging a pony. People are free to have their kinks, but I’d like to be able to simply block it all so I don’t need to know every possible furry porn niche, or yiff(?) I think that’s what I’ve been seeing on a lot of them. I don’t even know what that is.

Ironically Sync can block entire instances.
can also filter keywords
Really? I thought that needed to be implemented on Lemmy’s level. Guess it’s built in to ActivityPub because Mastodon could always do that. Definitely was a needed feature.
I don’t have Android, so it’s a bit of a moot point. But philosophically, it should be supported at the platform level so a user can go between their phone, desktop, browser at work, whatever, and maintain a similar experience when it comes to the content they see (or don’t see).
Exactly, I don’t like locally stored settings because I have many devices and I don’t want to remember to change something on every device every time
You may already be comfortable with another app or the web version of Lemmy, but I recommend ‘Connect for Lemmy’ if you’re looking for instance blocking. It allows you to block instances as a user.

I use my phone, but also the browser on the desktop. It really needs to be a feature of the platform. Relying on instance admins to have the exact same preference for what to federate seems unrealistic.

I’m also on an iPhone. I assume Connect for Lemmy is for Android, as I don’t see it in the App Store. I’m using Memmy currently.

Ah, you’re right, Connect is just for Android. Though I do remember hearing of an iOS Lemmy app that could block instances at a user level, but I’m sorry to say I don’t remember the name.

That being said, I fully agree with you on relying on instance admins to defederate / block instances. I prefer to have the agency to choose for myself what gets blocked / not blocked. Though I can’t complain about my instance’s decisions so far, thankfully.

I hope you find something that works for you.

I’d much rather have admins error on the side of federating with everything vs blocking anything they personally deem unfit. From that perspective, I can’t complain about the admins either. However, being open at that global level really requires controls at the user level. I think that would also ease the burden on the admins to try and make the decisions for everyone, as there is literally no way to get that right. Some subset of the user base will always be unhappy.

It would also be interesting if this was part of the onboarding process, if there were some large instances that leaned into extremism, for example, proactively let the users know these things exist and let them opt in or out. That may encourage silos and group think, so that sucks, but so does letting users stumble into this stuff and letting them get shit on before they figure out, oh I need to actually look at the community name and instance for literally every post before I comment. An interesting post is no longer just an interesting post, it comes with community baggage that need to be considered.

kbin has that feature!
When you block an instance on kbin does that mean users from that instance don’t see your content at all when logged into that instance? That’s something I’ve wanted in case in the future some instances federate with Meta, so I don’t provide content for Meta users to see or interact with so they need to log out of Meta or sign up for another instance to view content.
I don't think so, it just prevents you from seeing that instance's content including their comments on your posts but not anything else
I think once that becomes a possibility it’ll make defederation unnecessary. Especially when it comes to Meta, since that’s really become the thing I’ve become more concerned about in the future than squabbles between currently existing instances.
Connect and I believe Thunder can block entire instances as well as specific communities and users

I’ve tried not to block instances (or communities for that matter), because you never know what good communities may appear there at a later date. Instead I generally stick to viewing only my subscribed communities, while occasionally venturing out into Everything to see if there’s anything good I’ve missed.

I guess it’s like using Reddit front page vs using /r/all. I never liked /r/all, so doing it this way is much closer to my Reddit experience.

I guess the good thing is we can all tailor our experiences as we prefer :-)

I’ve historically been really picky about subscribing if to stuff and my subscribed posted tend to be short, so I’d venture into /r/all pretty often to try to see what is popular across everything. I liked when they added the option to filter stuff out of there, so I could get rid of really popular subs on topics I had no interest in, like league of legends. Although I wish there were different thresholds…. Like, normally block this, but if something rises to the top 1% of all time posts, show that to me.

Starting out here I think having ‘all’ is important for discovery, so I tend to go there a lot, but when entire instances are dedicated to an ideology, it seems even if an interesting community came up the skew from the ideology would be an issue. The community which asked me to leave their whole instance was just a generic meme community. I guess I was supposed infer the type of memes and the acceptable comments from the instance name, which seems like tribal knowledge that’s need to be picked up through trial and error.

The other thing was communities based on a kink or genre of porn I’m not interested in. If that’s the focus I don’t foresee an interesting community coming along, just an every growing list of things to block.

Yeah, fair points. I like your idea about a threshold for posts getting through, that’d be clever if it could be made to work.
If somebody develops that feature, they’ve said they’ll merge it. github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/2397#issuecommen…
Allow a user to block an instance · Issue #2397 · LemmyNet/lemmy

For front end issues, use lemmy-ui Is your proposal related to a problem? When looking at the "all" feed and even sorting by "top week" , it is basically all communist propaganda/advocacy ,obviousl...

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Honestly, yeah. I’ve been pretty disappointed in general, to be honest. Once you take away all the bot-spam, zero-effort memes, and doomerism, there isn’t a while lot of actual content on here.

Which is unfortunate, because I love the concept of Lemmy, and I can’t go back to Reddit. I’m still holding out hope, though.

I have to agree. Especially with that last one. The amount of cynical people on here making up a strong vocal (hopefully) minority is really disappointing
Is this comment not cynical and/or pessimistic?
I’m simply stating what I see and that it’s disappointing. Not sure how that can be seen as cynical or pessimistic

there isn’t a while lot of actual content on here.

I mean how many posts/threads do you really need a day? I read 10-15 or so. That's plenty

10-15? That’s childs play. I honestly read probably an order of magnitude more than that.
I mean we all have our preferences, but I personally don't want to go back to my old habit of spending 2-3 hours a day on reddit and lying to myself about why I did it. I try to cap it at an hour on here a day at most.

In my current subscribed feed, I’m lucky to get 10-15 posts total in a week, and even on All I don’t see nearly 10-15 threads I’m actually interested in in a week.

I realize a large part of this could be that I need to subscribe to more communities, but I haven’t seen any more that I’m into yet.

Interesting! I actually have not subscribed to a ton of stuff yet, but I feel like I’m seeing more than enough per day. The actual comments/threads aren’t super populated necessarily, but frankly, I think that’s a good thing. It’s keeping me from doom scrolling and I’m not getting bogged down in arguments like I used to on Reddit.
I set aside some time to really browse communities and subscribe to the ones I’m interested in. My Home feed is pretty good now and isn’t just filled with memes and porn. Sure, there aren’t as much comments as reddit, but it also makes discussions more meaningful because my comments are not instantly buried in low-effort jokes and puns. I just browse All from time to time to see what else is out there and maybe discover some new communities. It also helps to have accounts on different instances because the Local feed varies too.
My technique is browse All then just block the communities that I’m not interested in, that way I won’t miss any new community that sprouts up.

I’m not getting any of that stuff because I don’t subscribe to communities that allow that stuff.

I’ve just taken a look at the “all” tab for the first time and I agree it’s horrendous - but it was like that Reddit as well, I think the solution is to only subscribe to what you’re interested in.

Yeah, definitely. On Reddit I used to browse both Subscribed and All (with lots of filters). I agree that it was rough there too, but unfortunately I just haven’t found enough active communities here to subscribe to.

Either way, I’m here for the long haul, and I’m sure it’ll get better over time.

Well, have you seen FOSS fans biting everyone’s asses over saying user experience is not important and labor shouldn’t be paid? Yeah, people getting their preferences called out and ridiculed usually causes that. It’s like getting into a small subreddit and stirring shit by saying that their collective opinion is wrong.

Before the great Reddit exodus, Lemmy was just an echo chamber for a small subset of like-minded people. Now you get Reddit Lite. Enjoy it!!

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This comment is almost poetic lol
Just my personal experience, but I do feel like people have been a lot quicker to be snippy and not as nice and welcoming these last two weeks or so compared to a 2 months ago when I first got here.

I love the idea and spirit of Lemmy, I think decentralized and federated networks show a ton of promise…

However my experiences so far trying to engage in intelligent discussion/debate on Lemmy have been far more combative and frankly mean than I can ever recall on even the most “passionate” subreddits I participated in.

I think it’s a cross-section of the kinds of people who are enthusiastic about federated networks, and people who are knowledgeable enough to be early adopters here. But I’ll be honest, it has definitely cooled my interest in participating in discussion on Lemmy instances.

I don’t appreciate being called names or being accused of being a bad faith actor simply because I’m asking questions or challenging a viewpoint, and that seems to be the outcome of nearly every interaction here.

It doesn’t do any favors for changing the perception that Lemmy (and other federated platforms like Mastodon) are populated by terminally online keyboard warriors.

There’s a distinct feeling that if you support or even just use “traditional” (non-federated) platforms, or otherwise are not fully committed to 100% decentralization or open source, you are the enemy here.

I don’t want to go back to Reddit, and I won’t because of the absolutely abhorrent things their leadership has done and continues to do, but Lemmy users in my experience are overwhelmingly hostile and it sucks.

Maybe you are in the wrong insurance, or community… Though I do acknowledge that people are super foss and decentralized avengers here. And also there are a large number of anti corporation and anti capitalists inhabiting lemmy. But mostly I’ve found people have been civil, the ones that I have encountered.

Anyway there’s always the block and report button for those special kind of internet people who I can consider as not in my interest to have another encounter again.

This almost perfectly mirrors my experience here. Overwhelming hostility and immediate jump to accusations of trolling, or being a ‘bad actor’ in some other way.
I think one of the problem is all the influx of apps and webUIs that display “karma” also known as points as a total. Now people are starting to follow some kind of mental herd of saying the right thing to not get downvoted.

I remember thinking karma was a neat system when I joined Reddit, but it only ended up creating a toxic atmosphere.

I get that a score system might be valuable for posts themselves, but I wish we didn’t have them on individual profiles…

As a rule applied to myself, disabling of showing vote numbers is one of the settings I activate.

And make it a point to not look at “points” displayed by the app.