YellowAfterlifeAug 3, 2023

Help me pick a keyboard

https://lemmy.world/post/2581528

Help me pick a keyboard - Lemmy.World

Some context: I write code and play videogames, primarily on Windows and currently on a Logitech K860, which I’ve been thinking of replacing with something that is less wide and/or two-piece. In looking into this I have discovered that there’s quite a number of keyboards that fit my criteria, so I could use some help figuring out what’s more likely to be a good choice. What do I desire: - US-like QWERTY layout (LShift next to Z, horizontal or otherwise reasonable-sized Enter) - TKL (or otherwise not too wide) - Split (ideally two-part, but the classic 15(?)-degree triangle in the middle is also okay) - Probably a normal staggered layout (I touch-type, but it’s not strict home-row typing) - Normal arrow keys (read: separate keys not requiring an Fn press/layer switch; Up-arrow being above Down-arrow) - Home/End keys next to arrow keys, or accessible via Fn+arrow (or a couple useless keys next to arrow keys that could be remapped) - A Delete key somewhere in that area (or another useless key that can be remapped) - Digit keys - A Windows/Option key Nice to have: - F-keys (to use for keyboard shortcuts) - Tenting - (detachable?) palm supports - Wired connection or optional cable. Things that don’t mean too much: - Lighting - Key labels and their durability - High-end macro recording (key codes can be remapped on PC side) Misc: - I’ve not owned enough mechanical keyboards to have a switch preference beyond “shouldn’t take much force to press / shouldn’t be too loud”. - I can assemble and disassemble devices, but probably wouldn’t find time to solder. - Not particularly limited in terms of budget - been a few years since I’ve last got a fancy keyboard. - I’m used to low-profile keyboards, though it’s more about travel time and how much the keys poke out of the keyboard than actual key cap height. What else I’ve used that’s worth noting: - MSI GK-701 (non-split) Bought to see what was the fuss with Cherry MX brown switches, but couldn’t get used to how tall this thing was (~4cm). - Microsoft Sculpt Ergonomic Desktop Very good keyboard layout, somewhat stiff (?) keys and clicky F-keys. - HAVIT HV-KB390L (non-split) A pretty pleasant TKL low-profile keyboard with Kailh white switches that I used for a little while before going back to split keyboards. - Logitech K860 Better keys than Sculpt, but full-sized. - Perrixx/MoKo/etc. Foldable Keyboard (aka B.O.W. keyboard) It’s a pocket comedy split keyboard. Not very high-quality, but beats typing on the phone, you know? - Logitech K280e (non-split) A curious low-profile, quiet (rubber-domed?) office keyboard that I use with secondary devices. ## Considerations so far Sculpt-likes (one-piece ~75%): - Perixx PERIDUO-606 A mouse wheel in the middle? - Perixx PERIBOARD-613 B This one has a 4:1 Enter key. I think it’s for people that like their RShift keys. - Perixx PERIBOARD-335 (TKL) A mass-market-ish keyboard with mechanical switches? That’s neat. Not hot swap, but still! - Lenovo Go Wireless Split Apparently Lenovo made a conventional TKL split keyboard once. - BC Split Ergonomic Seems like an almost 1:1 replica of Sculpt layout, except for distribution of F-keys. UK layout only, I think? - X-Bows Knight Column-staggered, has a 2x2 Backspace key, and the most obnoxious website I’ve seen as of late. - Truly Ergonomic 229 Mechanical Keyboard A similar design to X-Bows, but with a more symmetrical layout. -Truly Ergonomic CLEAVE A slightly different design with a handful of large keys for your thumbs. Two-piece (pre-assembled): - Goldtouch V2 (>75%) A seemingly normal rubber-domed keyboard. - Kinesis Freestyle2/Pro/Edge (>75%) A similar layout. I guess this one made it big because every other split keyboard post I find includes a sponsored listing from Kinesis. And what’s the difference between these? Switches, programmable buttons, and lighting? - Matias Ergo Pro (>75%) That’s a quirky layout, but technically has all the buttons. - Cloud Nine ErgoTKL (>75%) A fairly Sculpt-like layout with a couple extra buttons. - Core Mechanics Project: 0001 (>75%) Pretty good layout and a couple macro keys too. A clean look. - Perixx PERIBOARD-524B (75%) A perfectly normal two-piece layout. - Goldtouch Go!2 The wireless/scissor edition of the seemingly normal keyboard, now with a couple sacrifices and navigation keys on the left. - R-Go Split Break This is a different kind of a compact comedy keyboard, except it’s a wired PC keyboard. Two-piece (kits): - Mistel MD770 (75%) An (almost) perfectly normal layout that’s split into two halves. 650L seems similar sans the f-key row. - YMDK Split 64/75/84 All QMK-based I believe? - Keychron Q11 QMK (75%-ish) Also a pretty normal layout featuring two knobs. - Keebio collections (65%…>75%) I’ve not even heard of some of these switches before, but Cepstrum looks intriguing. - Sinc R3 (>75%) One-piece (kits): - Keychron Q8 That’s not how you curve a keyboard. - Feker Alice 80 (65%) A very sensible layout sans the relocated Win-key.

Show threadnyarAug 3, 2023
I bought this a while back and I’m very happy with it. ergodox-ez.com
ErgoDox EZ: An Incredible Mechanical Ergonomic Keyboard

An open-source keyboard for serious developers, gamers, and people who care deeply about their craft.

ErgoDox EZ
Show threadYellowAfterlifeAug 3, 2023

I’ve seen this one, but I’d need to find a local sample to verify that I can use it - per post, I have non-too-strict typing habits and I’m afraid that an ortholinear layout will be weeks-long despair with me missing keys.

For example, I already had a habit of holding my hands at an angle prior to using split keyboards, but this also meant that I was usually pressing Y key with my left index finger, which, on Sculpt, meant that I was now either typing a T or hitting my finger on the edge of the keyboard.

Show threadbitwyze

I got a Moonlander ~1-1.5 years ago (made by the same company that does the Ergodox). I’ll say that yes, there is an initial slowdown in typing speed as you learn ortholinear, but I find it to be so much more comfortable than the traditional staggered layout. I broke a lot of my bad typing habits similar to your Y->T mixup.

I think it’s also made me a better typist on traditional keyboards as well - I mainly use my Moonlander, but will need to use a traditional keyboard 1-2 times a day when running meetings in conference rooms. It did take me maybe 3 weeks to get up to ~70% of my normal typing speed, and then the last 30% came from me tweaking my layers and building the layout that’s comfortable to me.

I’m constantly iterating to make it more and more comfortable to use common keys (just last week, I changed my layout because I use the -> and => key sequences a lot when writing code, but I still need to tweak it more). Being able to change keymappings is a must for any keyboard, IMO.

Thumb clusters are 👌👌👌

Aug 3, 2023 at 4:12pmWeb
Show threadYellowAfterlifeAug 3, 2023

So what do people do with thumb clusters?

In my current setup, I have a little tool to have remapped RAlt act as a faux mod layer (so that I can quickly enter symbols like · — ➜ or have two-key shortcuts that don’t conflict with anything), but most of the objective improvement comes from good auto-completion, snippets, and editor features (e.g. multi-cursors can be a blessing to both edit a bunch of lines at once and to create N constructs out of a list of names/signatures).

Show threadWimadsAug 3, 2023
Thumb clusters are used in many different ways, but most basic: put your modifiers there (particularly shift and ctrl), your pinkies will thank you ;) When you go for a smaller layout, layer modifiers become more relevant as well.
Show threadbitwyzeAug 5, 2023

On my Moonlander, I have:

  • Left
    • Top piano key: press for space, hold for alt
    • Middle piano key: Windows key
    • Bottom piano key: hold for layer shift to make my right split a numpad
    • Red “any” key: move to virtual desktop left
  • Right
    • Top piano key: backspace
    • Middle piano key: enter
    • Bottom piano key: tap for one shot to VSCode macro layer
    • Red “any” key: move to virtual desktop right
Show threadCorrAug 6, 2023
I use 2 thumbs on each side, and they’re layer changing keys when held and backspace, tab, enter, space when tapped. My mods (shift, ctrl, etc) are under my home row when held (tap D for D and hold for shift) mirrored on each half.
At that point it’s getting very customized but I’ve found it to be extremely comfortable. As other people have said, you’ll find what works for you, but a thumb cluster will open a lot of doors for you I think.