doctorcherryApple Explains Why It Won’t Make iPhones With Replaceable Batteries
It seems they are not going to make batterie replaceable without a fight. The waterproof excuse is crap, they already don’t give us repairs if the iphone is « water dommage » and they can just make a new water resistant design around the new requirements
Same lame excuse they used for removing the headphone jack… Never forget what they took from us and the shitty trend they started in the industry
HamartiogonicI think the charging port is the next one to go. Just use wireless charging, roast the battery and buy a new phone when the battery finally dies after a few years. However, if the battery really is replaceable, it’s going to change the economics of this plan.
I don’t think so. They would still need a way to connect to the phone for diagnosis reasons and all that, or to connect to it via iTunes.
That’s still wired, so they can’t get rid of it entirely.
NFC or something to that effect can be forced"on" with their special charging connection… Or something like that
Would be horrible for data rates but it could be done
Just so you know, the Apple Watch no longer has a diagnostic port. It’s all 100% wireless now. Source
The Apple Watch Series 7 officially ditches the hidden diagnostic port
Apple’s older Watches have all included a hidden six-pin diagnostic port, but the Series 7 module does not. The port was only ever used for internal Apple diagnostics, despite hope that it could be used to enable innovative charging bands or other accessories.
The waterproof excuse is crap
Yep. Galaxy S5, released 9 years ago with an IP67, removable battery, sd card and headphone jack with a back you could open with a fingernail.
DojanYep. Galaxy S5, released 9 years ago with an IP67, removable battery, sd card and headphone jack with a back you could open with a fingernail.
Spot on. They boast about how the iPhone is IP68, but IPX7 means…
Protected from immersion in water with a depth of up to 1 meter (or 3.3 feet) for up to 30 mins
There may be a tradeoff, but I’ll take this level of waterproofing with a removable battery over being able to dunk my phone under water for 2 hours without a removable battery. Like that’s an easy choice.
It’s all moot anyway. This is just Apple trying to justify their anti-consumer standpoint of wanting to own the device after it’s been bought, like every other fucking manufacturer out there. We will own nothing and we’ll be happy about it.
The EU dont care… lol
Until you use some of that money for ~lobbying~ political influence they don’t.
Facebook can get away with advertising literal scam to kids and old people alike and there are no consequences for them.
If I remember correctly: If it is watertight, replaceable batteries are not required. EZ way to skirt around this stuff.
Do you want a phone that self destructs when it gets wet? Apple engineers have thought this through.
Yes they have, which tells me no engineers were consulted for this statement. Waterproofing and replaceable batteries is a trivial combination.
Is this subreddit run by samshit employees or something? Nobody did waterproofing well before Apple started the trend.
🦘min0nim🦘This is simply not the case. Saying it’s ‘trivial’ is like saying it’s trivial to travel to Mars because we’ve sent things there before. Reliably sealing anything with a joint is far from trivial.
We had phones with replaceable batteries for a long time. Many of them were waterproof, but none of them exploded on contact with water.
This is essentially 9/11 trutherism applied to smartphones.
I don’t follow the metaphor.
Water resistance not waterproof. I don’t know if any general consumer phones that are waterproof.
“Apple engineers” lol
Get the Apple out of your ass
You clearly do not have the skill to work at apple
_haha_oh_wow_Waterproof phones with replaceable batteries are most certainly possible and have existed for over a decade at least. Sorry, but that argument is total bullshit.
Nah.
To ensure the safety of end-users, this Regulation should provide for a limited derogation for portable batteries from the removability and replaceability requirements set for portable batteries concerning appliances that incorporate portable batteries and that are specifically designed to be used, for the majority of the active service of the appliance, in an environment that is regularly subject to splashing water, water streams or water immersion and that are intended to be washable or rinseable.
From here: www.europarl.europa.eu/…/TA-9-2023-0237_EN.html#t…
So watertight is definitely enough of a reason.
Except this is a bullshit exception because not only is it 100% possible to make waterproof devices with replaceable batteries, they have existed for years already. There is absolutely no technical reason for this, and the exception probably only exists because the corporations influenced the legislators to gut the law.
I don’t think a phone counts as that since it’s not something that’s expected to be regularly subject to water
That's really stupid, waterproof phones with replaceable batteries are certainly possible and have been done before.
EU wasn’t asking bro
They tried asking before, with the charging connector. Apple effectively ignored them for about a decade, so they’re going with the firmer option now.
Govs should never ask. They must implement the regulation. The corporations are so greedy, they will follow for the money.
Money. Answer every single time is money
and here I thought it was always DNS
What a horseshit excuse: add 6 screws on your backplate, give it a frame with center glass, add a grommet. Give a torque setting for the screws to have a good seal in your instructions. L
Done.
Samsung did this shit years ago in a phone with a replaceable plastic back.
Don’t go pros have replaceable batteries too and get used in like the ocean?
Yes, but they have a very sturdy case. The gopro itself (without the case) is not waterproof.
I mean if you remove the waterproof case you have a naked circuit board, if they could make that waterproof we wouldn't be talking about this.
or are you thinking about ancient gopros that needed an extra sealed case?
Sephtis-6Most modern gopros still need the extra case for deeper depths
As do almost all phones
Yeah I know, just wanted to make sure nobody takes their unprotected or old gopro to 100ft of depth.
anyone going down 100ft knows if their shit is depth rated
Yeah, I’ve updated my reply to reflect that.
They are if i recall correctly(at least the newer ones) waterproof till about 30ft without the extra case and with it till 150ft or so. But the extra case is very thick and sturdy
This is wrong btw.
Since the Hero 5, Go Pros have been waterproof without the case. The current GoPro is waterproof to 10 meters without a case or 60 meters with the case.
Compared to the current iphone which is only water resistant, so can be submerged for 30 minutes, upto 6 meters.
Samsung still does it. It’s called the Xcover lineup.
Apple does love to take designs that makes their devices enter the realm of disposable tech. Like soldering storage and ram on their MacOS running devices in the name of speed, but one that is not noticeable to the average user. And decreases peoples ability to upgrade it to use even longer like they did the older macs.
So fighting against replaceable batteries seems along the line for them.
Tick_DracyThey didn’t became a trillion dollar company by luck. It’s because of fools like me who purchase their devices…
They’re lucky that my hate towards Google is bigger than Apple’s crappy decisions.
iCloud private relay is the one reason I won’t leave Apple ecosystem.
Out of curiosity, why is Private relay so important for you?
Easy privacy so my data can’t be mined. I am not comfortable with any random company or person sifting through my browsing habits. Note to yourself and others: private relay does not protect or anonymize illegal or illicit activity.
Ok I see. I’m already subscribed to a VPN service, and I do use Quad9 DNS servers on my router, so I don’t think that service would add a lot of benefits to me.
Also, even though I like Apple products, I tend to avoid their services…
I don’t mean to be pedantic, but private relay is a little different than a third party VPN service (support.apple.com/en-us/HT212614). You still have to trust the VPN provider with your logs as well as Quad9 with your DNS requests. There are examples of VPN providers that have said “we delete your logs” when in fact they do not. On the other hand, I have to trust that Apple is not logging my browsing. To me, the private relay approach appears to guarantee that but obviously there’s some risk no matter how you do it. I won’t argue with the dislike for Apple services.
I’ve commented this elsewhere but it wouldn’t surprise me if they actually over engineer the replaceable battery and incorporate their MagSafe tech or something to make replacement batteries prohibitively expensive but technically follows EU rules. Seems like a very Apple malicious compliance outcome.
I don't hope it will be like this but i would also love to see this concept irl. Seems like something rly interesting
The first thought that came to my mind was internal solid state power storage (good for an hour or so, but will outlive the rest of the phone) with an external MagSafe battery. Call it MC, but that’s definitely a more Apple UX than disassembling your water resistant phone.
So glad to see the Apple fans here aren’t a bunch of blind yesmen. With an R&D budget the size of Apple’s I am sure theres a way to figure somwthing out.
Really refreshing to see Apple fans who have not forgotten they are consumers who have features they want as opposed to accepting whatever decision is made for them.
Other site was a weird mix of people who seemed less Apple consumers and shared more in common with Apple shareholders with the lengths they'd go to defend things from Apple's financial point of view.
Indeed, I personally consider myself an apple fan but there are definitely things that are bad. People who think apple has done only good and defend them at all time are just imo thr worst.
Especially since waterproof phones witnessed replaceable batteries already existed. They aren’t exactly working from nothing.
JackbyDevI remember dunking my flip phone into glasses of water as a party trick and it was totally fine. This would’ve been around 2010 or so.
They exist but not at this thinness. That’s an important difference.