pizzaioloWould You Rather Give Up Meat Or Flying For The Environment?
Remy RoseI gave up both, problem solved lol
I too am poor!
You’re extremely not wrong! 😅
Branding is key. You’re not poor, you’re ✨frugal✨
VaggumonFlying, I haven’t been on a plane in 25 years, and I have no plans to ever get on one again. But I love a good steak.
Hot SaucermanI don’t know how long it has been, but I haven’t had a compelling reason to fly since before 9/11/2001. I guess that’s about 25 years.
For me, both price and time are very compelling reasons to fly, unfortunately.
The state of the environment is an even more compelling reason for me not to. But for many people it’s not. That’s why the price of flying must be raised enough, and alternatives like traveling by train must be made more attractive. So that there is enough reason not to fly for everyone.
High speed trains exist, just not in places like the USA. We could have more environmentally friendly coupled with similar time convenience. It’s truly unfortunate that it’s never been invested in, because its a viable and much less damaging alternative.
I live in Germany, where high speed trains are the norm and traveling by train is pretty common. It’s still much more expensive than flying. But at least it’s getting faster and faster, to a point where it beats traveling by car or even plane. Munich to Berlin (600 km) in less than four hours, nothing can beat that.
RealAccountNameHereIf forced to choose, I’d give up flying. As I’m scared of it anyway, that makes the most sense. :)
That said, I think that if we all just did less of those things, it would be good too. Take more vacations near home. Eat meat only a few times a week. That sort of thing.
MiddleWeighImagine asking yourself this, like flying was ever fucking necessary ever.
buwhoDefinitely meat. I’m omnivorous now, but have been vegan for years and vegetarian years before that. Its actually ideal if you can afford it/ find the right dumpsters.
I have not found an efficient and fast way to travel across the ocean as i am not an experienced large vessel sailor and/or do not have access to a deep ocean worthy vessel.
Herr WolandIf you want people to give up flying you need to give them alternatives. I always choose train if it’s available. And for meat we don’t have to collectively give up meat, eating less meat (once or twice a week) would be totally efficient in limiting the CO2 emotions
eating less meat (once or twice a week)
I’ve been doing this a few years now. Trying to slowly introduce more and more new vegetarian/vegan recipes into my life. Worth it, in my opinion.
LibertyLizardIt’s really not hard. I think the extreme emphasis on going veg/vegan is actually harmful. Just eat less, find good veg recipes, then eat a little less, etc. You can get 90% of the way there and not even miss it much if you do it gradually.
I gave up flying a while ago, so I guess I’ll keep that up.
Could I give up meat for year if I plan on going on vacation that year and eat meat on non travel years?
Airfare has to be the winner here right? With the way our global economy is currently set up we still require airplanes to deliver goods and people vast distances quickly.
I’d much rather eat veggies anyway.
Medical supplies yes, but not shit like flowers, cherries, or tourists. Tourism is oversold and I’m so done. Especially cruise ships, just using international waters to dump their garbage
On that note: we really need some regulation on what’s allowed on open ocean. It’s to important of an eco system to survive without regulations.
And you enforce them at port.
nbaileyIf I got 3x the vacation time from work to let me travel by oceanliner or airship I’d happily stop flying — but that would never happen. So instead we just have to use discretion for both. Eat more mushrooms & beans; take trips closer to home by rail. And yes once in a while enjoy a nice steak or take a trip overseas. Moderation is key.
It must be nice to have a robust public transit system...
ReclipseIs it even possible to give up flying?
I’ve never flown in my life and I’m doing okay.
I have neither.
watsonFlying. I don’t like that shit anyway.
i gave up meat some 15+ years ago. easy peasy.
eleefeceIf Taylor Swift stops flying how many of us does it count for?
I’d give up both. Remember the week of global lockdown and people in India realized they could see the mountain range from their home? Fucking pollution, everywhere had amazing air quality for that week
Flying easy. Flying fucking sucks. Yeah I’d love to get a leg clot for $300 and 6 hours in your packed fart tube. As long as every private jet gets grounded too.
Meat. I live on the other side of the country from my family, and the only way I can have enough time to visit them is by some form of high speed transit. Since there’s no high speed train in the US, I’m stuck flying.
JakdraculaWhy not both?
Meat for sure. Giving up flying means giving up seeing my family. Probably one of the last things I would sacrifice, personally.
I haven't flown since the late 90s. So meat I guess since we have things that are close enough now.
Just make private jets illegal or tax the fk out of each trip
Ban bunker oil. It’s used in shipping container boats. It’s the most polluting fuel out there.
The goalpost for individuals widens to make up for what corporations are doing, which is...(reads notes)...nothing.
kilgoreCame here to essentially say this. Our individual contributions are meaningless in the face of the abuses by corporations and wealthy individuals.
Do you vote? Because it’s the same principle - how one person votes might be irrelevant, but millions of people voting is powerful. This is true even though corporations have outsized influence on the political process.
Likewise, a single person deciding to not eat meat one day a week or replace one car journey with cycling is nothing in the global scheme of things, but a billion people all doing it will have more impact on the environment than any corporation ever could.
I see your point, though I think the comparison isn’t quite accurate. My one vote doesn’t get canceled out many times over by the vote of a billionaire (though I suppose you could argue that lobbying by that billionaire could indeed cancel it out.
I guess I’m just growing pessimistic. For as much as I personally do, I feel its a drop in the water that is negated 1000 times over by corporations and wealthy individuals. I’m also tired of the narrative being focused on individual effort instead of pressuring corporations etc. to take more responsibility. But both individual and corporate/government action are needed, I suppose, if we’re going to save ourselves…
That billionaire doing the right thing is going to force the same lifestyle changes anyway. Meat tycoon shuts down operations. Now no meat is available for purchase- everybody eats vegan. Coal plants shut down. Blackout hours are enforced while battery infrastructure catches up. Auto makers shut down operations. Public transit is clogged until capacity increases, more people start biking. Airlines drastically cut available flights. No long distance travel for you until high speed rail can be built.
I agree! And I think that’s the only way we’ll actually get a critical mass of people to change their ways.
catarinaYeah, but all the people taking multiple flights a year for weekend getaways aren't solely the responsibility of the "corporations", are they?
itchy_lizardThat’s not true. Corporations concede nothing until forced. And many countries are foceing corporations to do things.
For example, it’s illegal in many countries for corporations to have short-distance flights where a train route is available.
We need more laws like this and corporations will do better.
MrsEavesDefinitely meat - I’ve been vegetarian for a very long time and vegan since COVID, and no plans of stopping anytime soon! Flying is a bit more difficult, but I work from home and when my work requires me to travel, I’m lucky that I have the ability to take a train, so I do that. I do like traveling occasionally, and for some of the places I want to go, I can’t realistically avoid flying.
If anyone here is interested in giving up or reducing meat intake but needs a little advice or extra support to get started, please let me know. I’m happy to share any knowledge and tips I can!
I live with my folks and I can’t say no to them serving me meat. I tell them I’d love to reduce my meat intake and they agree … only to put meat on everything l the time. When I order or cook alone I try going vegetarian if I can.
What are some good vegetarian inspiring websites/cookbooks that you’d recommend for the next time I’m out grocery shopping?
I used to go veggie before and I found the meat cravings pretty crazy. Do you do impossible or beyond? Or do you stay away from those entirely?
can’t say no to them serving me meat.
Offer to cook one meal a week for the family, and take it as an opportunity to showcase meat-free meals. If they’re dyed-in-the-wool carnivores, you’ll have to start with typical meat dishes using substitutes e.g. lasagne made with soya mince.
Flying. I already hate it because of sensory issues and the general stress it causes me, helping the environment is a bonus. Sadly i live in the US, so i need to take flights to get anywhere vaguely far away, even within my own damned country.
Of course if we are talking the environment then the only things that can be done to have any actual impact will reduce the profits of corporations and as such will not happen.
theodewereman we need to start being a little more creative, and end all this binary thinking about everything.. THIS OR THAT: CHOOSE there has to be some hybrid solution here.. flying meat of some kind, i don't know, i'm not an architect of meat solutions.. but we have to find creative solutions, that ease transitions for economical reasons and shit.. maybe highly mobile buns..
TakatakatakatakatakThe answer is the illustrious fifth meat…it’s people.
okay, okay, get those creative juices flowing.. i'm sure we can come up with something a little more androcentric maybe than that, but let's keep that energy.. Kobyashi Maru, people.. Kobyashi Maru.. you're all James T. Kirk, let's go..
I eat probably 21 meat meals a week. I still choose meat though. Definitely need some ideas for veg recipes. My favorite veg meal I’ve made is shakshouka, but nearly everything else always falls a little flat. What are some of your guys’ favorite recipes?
As a meat-eater, Jesus Christ you should probably cut out some meat.
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Veggie pizza (time consuming, but I make extra dough)
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Veggie Lasagna (it’s a pain to make though)
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Relish tray (sliced veggies like broccoli, bell peppers, celery, carrots, etc, maybe crackers and cheese or flat bread, and either Hummus or dip) (cheap and easy)
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Veggie quesadilla (easy)
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Couscous
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slow cooker veggie chili (cheap and easy)
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slow cooker curry and rice (cheap and easy)
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roast dinner minus the roast (corn, green beans, steamed Broccoli, mashed potatoes, roasted beats, Yorkshire pudding, gravy)
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veggie ground it cottage pie
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veggie ground for spaghetti bolognaise
Nice, thank you! And I’m not really serious since I only really eat two meals a day but it’s usually a sandwich at lunch and then a dinner with meat.
I’ve made a vegan lasagna and it was tough but rewarding, veggie lasagna sounds nice and non vegan cheese probably ups the ante a bit
I love shakshouka with aubergine that shit’s great. Anyway, vegan here and most of the stuff i eat is indian food (a lot of that stuff is vegan or at least vegetarian by default), middle eastern food with baba ganoush/hummus/falafel or east asian foods with tofu or tempeh.
I find that just veganizing meatdishes take a bit of skill and fantasy for it not to just become a lackluster version of the thing you already like and are used to.
HotDogFingiesHow about you redirect this question to the people actually responsible for setting the planet on fire and inevitably turning my children's futures to smoldering ash? I can only just barely afford to eat meat, certainly not every day, and any form of travel is a distant, impossible pipedream.
This is not my fault or responsibility. Life under capitalism hasn't afforded me that luxury. I do not get to make decisions, they are too expensive.
I’ve grown up under capitalism to and giving up meat was easy.
It’s at least not more expensive (maybe unless you live in bumfucknowhere and they won’t properly stock beans).
Both are necessary.
Haven’t eaten meat for over 10 years. Other than having to manage my feelings of superiority nothing much has changed.
Change needs to be a lot more radical than reducing global CO2 by… maybe 20%?
If we live plant-based we’ll need a lot of less land. We’d need some serious land to free up this land for the wild and rebuild eco systems. And it would still not be enough, because the rising heat will just destroy it anyway.
So expensive sequestering technology at source needs to be made mandatory globally and everybody will feel the hit of that. Producing (and sequestering) CO2 will be so expensive that the market will find viable, cheaper alternatives.
SagrotanThe answer is “yes”. Only have flown 3 times in my life of 45 years, and to be honest, 2 times was superfluous, disappointing and unnecessary, more than 20 years ago. And meat: I don’t need it. I enjoy the hunted meat from my cousins, though, and fish. I’m too soft to butcher our chicken. And my daughter and wife would kill me if I do…