YoBuckStopsHereAug 1, 2023

Lemmy World U.S. Presidential Election Primary Polls (Summer 2023 Edition)

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Lemmy World U.S. Presidential Election Primary Polls (Summer 2023 Edition) - Lemmy.world

Polls include declared candidates for each party. Polls are open 1 August - 7 August 2023 Democratic Party Primary Poll [https://youpoll.me/105621/] Republican Party Primary Poll [https://youpoll.me/105622/] Green Party Primary Poll [https://youpoll.me/105623/] Libertarian Party Primary Poll [https://youpoll.me/105624/] Independent’s Primary Poll [https://youpoll.me/105625/]

Show threadUpgrade2754

I’m interested in understanding why so many have picked Joe Biden. According to several top posts, Lemmy is supposedly left wing, yet the vast majority are voting for a conservative democrat over the progressive.

Does anyone here actually care about pushing against dark money, treating climate change like an existential threat, and fighting for universal health care? What’s drawing you to voting for him? Looking forward to respectful debate

Aug 2, 2023 at 3:31amWeb
Show threadhalferectAug 2, 2023
I’m interested in who you think is the progressive candidate?
Show threadYoBuckStopsHereAug 2, 2023
Progressives are all riding with Biden
Top progressives are backing Joe Biden's 2024 campaign. But some activists have reservations

President Joe Biden has made some progress wooing his party’s left wing since taking office. Many progressives have cheered steep federal spending increases on major social programs and green energy during Biden's term. And they've supported Biden’s renewed plan to offer student debt relief after the Supreme Court struck down his original efforts. But others are angry that Biden hasn't delivered on promise to reduce fossil fuel production, advance a policing overhaul and expand voting rights. And reassembling the same broad coalition that help lift Biden in 2020 might be difficult if enthusiasm among progressives wavers.

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Show threadUpgrade2754Aug 3, 2023

I’m going to assume you’re acting in good faith, but I hope you realize how ridiculous that argument is. The only reason this is so is because the DNC is systematically shutting down the primary process and so elected politicians would be harming their negotiations by supporting challengers.

They for sure align more with Marianne WIlliamson whose policy page is the most detailed and progressive I’ve ever seen in my lifetime. Meanwhile, Biden is running on “finishing the job” and saying the economy is fine.

Important Issues Facing America

Healthcare, Immigration, Poverty, Equality, Workers Rights, Climate Change. Together we can bring about the change we need to disrupt the corrupt!

Marianne 2024
Show threadYoBuckStopsHereAug 3, 2023
Marianne WIlliamson loses a few people when she breaks out the crystals and starts talking about people’s auras.
Show threadUpgrade2754Aug 3, 2023

Can you find for me a single instance between either of her campaigns or in any of her books where she’s talked about crystals or auras?

I find it appalling that a moderator would say such a thing.

I’l even steel man your argument for a second. What’s worse: talking about auras or having the ability to reduce the price of all drugs and choosing not to do so, having the ability to fix so many broken families by descheduling marijuana but choosing not to do so, or having the biggest microphone in the world to say how unconscionable it is that we do not have a universal healthcare system and choosing not to do so?

Show threadYoBuckStopsHereAug 3, 2023
It’s been four years and her fans still are upset about how she did on the debate stage. It’s comedy gold!
Biden Press Secretary Laughs Off Williamson 2024 Presidential Bid

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Show threadpoopknifeAug 5, 2023

don’t forget about comparing Avatar film to Israeli-Palestine conflict to peacemakers from both sides in the area talking to them about the great mother in the film not taking sides and then proudly telling it to Cameron with cringe-meter-breaking confidence and smug head tilts sprinkled twice with “and do you know what they said” (meanwhile Cameron is just literally speechless at what’s going on) then she acts out the reaction of the peacemakers which was… “slow nodding” apparently (I’m not exaggerating) It’s like a Tina Fey sketch.

From a European perspective, this is what I imagine if someone is being an ignorant/tone-deaf American. (no offence, I’m excluding the deranged republican aspects and just thinking of the mild differences.)

She is beyond being “too Californian”. It’s just so randomly tone-deaf, not knowing how to contribute in a very serious setting, verbally shitposting out of awkwardness?, then incorrectly evaluating people’s politeness as a profound agreement that she fostered. So she tells around. Her campaign promises and positions does seem picture-perfect, but these instances does make one question what goes on between her synapses. No wonder why AOC and Warren and Sanders back Biden. There is no need for dems to unfairly discredit or disadvantage her. She is one goop away from paltrowing.

Russell on Twitter

“Marianne Williamson interviewing James Cameron about AVATAR is camp”

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Show threadchatokunAug 3, 2023
While we agree Biden has issues, seeing only RKJR and someone who without looking her up again just triggered “crazy!” In my head, I simply wondered why there wasn’t any progressive candidates listed at all. Marianne has some rep issues to work on. This is from someone who has been out of touch for a bit with politics as in people running, bu5 definitely with leftwing viewpoints. I wouldn’t make a final decision this early, I’d research more before actually voting. But faced with a sudden poll, I don’t like a single person I recognize, and I don’t recognize far more.
Show threadMeldrocAug 6, 2023

There’s checking the boxes on policy positions, and then there’s actually getting them implemented - that’s the hard part. Marianne Williamson hasn’t yet succeeded in even getting elected to any public office - not POTUS, not to Congress, not even to a school board.

Her campaign is just a vanity campaign that helps her sell books.

And RFK Jr’s campaign is a right wing ratfuck.

Show threadUpgrade2754Aug 3, 2023

Only one candidate has committed to:

  • medicare for all
  • free college tuition
  • legalizing marajuanna
  • eliminating the social security cap

It’s all laid out in a policy page that’s more detailed than even Bernie’s ever was.

Meanwhile Biden’s website just says ‘lets finish the job’??

Important Issues Facing America

Healthcare, Immigration, Poverty, Equality, Workers Rights, Climate Change. Together we can bring about the change we need to disrupt the corrupt!

Marianne 2024
Show threadhalferectAug 3, 2023
She’s also is a crazy person who thinks crystals heal you and essential oils are medicine so I think I’ll pass on that type of candidate
Show threadUpgrade2754Aug 3, 2023
Link me or gtfo
Show threadSmokeyDopeAug 5, 2023
These are all nice ideals to work towards, but any single one of them would take the full 4 year term to flesh out in any capacity. Its nice to have a list of things you want, its an entirely different beast getting enough bipartisan support to make them reality. I do not see most of these things ever having a real chance of happening except maybe the legalize marijuana one.
Show threaderan_moradAug 7, 2023
Sorry bruh, I can’t vote for anyone who doesn’t promise sunshine & chipmunks.
Show threadTokenBoomerAug 2, 2023
My vote changes daily based on my mood. When the condom meets the road, Biden really is the only choice. I’ll probably go Marianne in the Primary, but Fascism is more important than my misgivings about corporate Dems. Republicans will rally around DeSantis when Trump’s trial tanks him. And you do not want that fucker anyway near military power.
Show threadAquaTofanaAug 2, 2023

Yeah, if I had it my way, I’d be voting for someone more in line with AOC or Bernie Sanders, but until a candidate like that takes the Primary, I’m left with Biden. Just because Biden isn’t perfect by any stretch of the imagination, doesn’t mean it’s worth it to take a vote from the Dems and by proxy give one to the Republicunts.

That being said, fuck the DNC is fucking terrible at marketing. I just found out like 3 days ago that rail workers have indeed been getting the sick days that they were asking for due to regular followup from the Biden Administration during negotiations. The strike and him being a Union buster was a huge (rightfully so) story, and a bad look all around, but fucking tell the public about your wins too, jfc. It’s not that hard.

Also, his move to keep the Space Command in CO was pretty meaningful to a portion of the population (women and LGBTQ+ in the USSF), and it actively fucks over Tommy Tuberville in AL (who hates women and LGBTQ+ people).

Should we demand better? Yes. Do we deserve better? Also yes. But let’s not pretend he’s the worst candidate up there. Let’s keep pushing for more actually Progressive politicians, but in the meantime, don’t let perfection be the enemy of progress.

Show threadMeldrocAug 6, 2023
Yes. For all the problems Dems have with marketing themselves, Biden is getting a lot of stuff done. People rag on his age, but with age comes experience - he’s been doing Washington politics for a half-century.
Show threadUpgrade2754Aug 3, 2023
100%, but until I’m in that ballot box I’m gonna move the needle one day at a time ya know? Now’s not the time to settle and too many seem to forget that
Show threadTokenBoomerAug 3, 2023
True Dat
Show threadSpyralAug 2, 2023
The primary is the time to push for candidates that must align with your personal political identity. The general is the time to choose the best out of what’s available. I hope more people get involved in the primary voting.
Show threadUpgrade2754Aug 3, 2023
Exactly. Now is the time to change hearts and minds to demand more. By the time I’m in the ballot box I’ll do what I need to but why not wear your heart on your sleeve until then? It makes no sense to not leave it all out on the field
Show threadAPassengerAug 2, 2023
There isn’t a place for spoiler DeSantis vote. Or some similar unelectable but viable in a primary person.
Show threadHellAwaitsAug 2, 2023
No. Like Reddit, many people have deluded themselves in thinking in the whole two party dogma, where one political party is 90%+ correct while the opposing party is just the opposite when the world is way more grey than that. Biden was a lot better than I expected him to be, but he’s nowhere NEAR the president we need now. He still bows too much to corporations and it’s tiring as hell.
Show threadUpgrade2754Aug 3, 2023
“Vote Blue No Matter Who” has to be the most self-deprecating slogan of American politics I’ve ever heard of
Show threadquindracoAug 3, 2023
It’s not about being correct, it’s about how the mathematics of voting works. American Presidential elections are fundamentally designed to force you into a binary choice. This is fixable ans so of course Congress refuses to fix it, but the problem is real, not a delusion.
Show threadNukaRaider20Aug 5, 2023
Well Biden is the incumbent so no one’s really running against him and I believe right now he’s the Dem with the best chance to win in the general. Won’t really get to have a choice on the Dem side until 2024
Show threadEnsign_CrabAug 5, 2023

I’m interested in understanding why so many have picked Joe Biden.

Both his current primary challengers are antivaxxers. Fuck that.

Show threaderan_moradAug 7, 2023
Because Brandon is actually doing a decent job most likely to beat trump.