Molly Whiteš
hoping AI companies remove your work from their datasets (after already including it without consent) is not going to be enough
Cloud Janitor@molly0xfff something that weāre just going to have to get over, collectively: all content is derivative. The process of that derivation might be very complex, but whether it happens in meatspace or on a bunch of gpuās isnāt particularly important.
Pax Ahimsa Gethen@TheLostRewatchWasActuallyOK @molly0xfff
I'll "get over it" if and when artists are paid a living wage.
jordan@funcrunch @TheLostRewatchWasActuallyOK @molly0xfff they'll have to join a union and demand one. hoping and asking politely isn't going to do it.
AnthonyNo, we are not going to have to get used to this collectively. That's a fatalistic belief that hands power to thieves. I mean, you do you and whatnot, but I'm sure as hell not going to "get used to it". Besides, you are conflating "on the shoulders of giants" with the actual additions made by a particular artist, which are identifiable and important. The fact that they learned from someone else does not give license to any rando to take their creativity and claim it as their own.
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@abucci @molly0xfff Iām not saying itās fair, Iām just saying that this cookie has crumbled. AI detection will not keep up with AI expressive capability. Maybe there will be good corporate players in the space (lol), but there will certainly be plenty of folks who wonāt be.
Why are you saying the cookie has crumbled, then citing a supposition about technology (AI detection vs other AI capabilities) and corporations? Again, this sounds very fatalistic, and frankly sad. There are plenty of other actors in this situation who could change the dynamic, including government and us collectively. This AI stuff could be legislated out of existence overnight with the flick of a pen, were the regulatory powers that be so inclined. The fact that AI exists in this form and has these particular effects it has is a consequence brought on by the planning of human beings, and that planning could be directed towards other ends. Acting like this is some kind of law of nature, as if it were gravity, is nonsense.
This is the same, capitalists stealing what they want and selling it back to us story that's played out in capitalist societies since capitalist societies first appeared. People thought that was inevitable before, and it's been stopped/altered before, countless times.
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This is the same, capitalists stealing what they want and selling it back to us story that's played out in capitalist societies since capitalist societies first appeared. People thought that was inevitable before, and it's been stopped/altered before, countless times.
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Thomas Michael Semmler@TheLostRewatchWasActuallyOK @molly0xfff Iāll get over it when corporations arenāt getting rich from it, instead of the original artists.
kainisenni@TheLostRewatchWasActuallyOK
I don't think that's the same. Machine Learning (this is not intelligent in any way), remixes existing stuff, with no originality of its own. ML adds nothing. It can only mimic. A human creator takes inspiration from others, certainly, but the synthesis of those inspiration still involves creativity. Something new is being created. (This idea is mostly based on parts of Patrick H. Willems' "A.I. Filmmaking Is Not The Future. It's a Grift.")
I don't think that's the same. Machine Learning (this is not intelligent in any way), remixes existing stuff, with no originality of its own. ML adds nothing. It can only mimic. A human creator takes inspiration from others, certainly, but the synthesis of those inspiration still involves creativity. Something new is being created. (This idea is mostly based on parts of Patrick H. Willems' "A.I. Filmmaking Is Not The Future. It's a Grift.")
tamas@TheLostRewatchWasActuallyOK @molly0xfff You are missing the fact that even 1:1 reproducing someoneās art takes skills and effort when done by hand (not to mention truly derivative, but original pieces). Some dudebro prompting an AI model to ādraw X in the style of Rukowskiā lacks both.
Rodrigo Petunio@TheLostRewatchWasActuallyOK @molly0xfff this trash take has to die so bad man.