ruffslJul 29, 2023

Google Tries to Defend Its Web Environment Integrity as Critics Slam It as Dangerous

https://programming.dev/post/1035659

Google Tries to Defend Its Web Environment Integrity as Critics Slam It as Dangerous - programming.dev

> > Attacks and doxing make me personally MORE likely to support stronger safety features in chromium, as such acts increase my suspicion that there is significant intimidation from criminals who are afraid this feature will disrupt their illegal and/or unethical businesses, and I don’t give in to criminals or bullies > > Kick a puppy > Get attacked for kicking a puppy > “These attacks make me MORE likely to keep kicking puppies, as I don’t give in to intimidation from criminals and bullies that want healthy puppies for their nefarious ends.” - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36916444 [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36916444]

Show threadusernotfound

Kick a puppy

If you have to resort to false equivalences like these, you’re not really making the anti-WEI crowd look good.

Jul 29, 2023 at 12:03pmWeb
Show threadruffslJul 29, 2023

I think the comment that the_lego is replying to also highlights the false equivalency of calling the anti-WEI crowd as criminals, as was not a good look for Google.

They have apologized for using the word criminals & bullies in a broader context and I appreciate that. However, the initial part of the comment is very telling of how they view those who oppose.

It is not just gaslighting but there were attempts to malign those who are oppos... | Hacker News

Show threadKrestenJul 29, 2023
Agree
Show threadnottellingJul 29, 2023

Analogies are inherently false equivalences.

It’s illustrating the problem with the argument, not equating DRM technology with puppy kicking.

Show threadScary le PooJul 29, 2023

That is an analogy.

The analogy being, do something objectively bad, get called out for it, double down because you don’t like getting called out for it.

No one is equivocating anti-wei people to puppies.

Show threadusernotfoundJul 30, 2023

There’s some massive misunderstanding about my comment.

I called it a false equivalency because it’s comparing both the measures (“stronger safety”) and the thing is supposed to prevent (doxing and bullying) to puppy kicking.

That’s just emotional manipulation done badly. We all call it out when politicians use pedophiles to warrant Internet surveillance, and now apply it ourselves? I don’t know about you, but when I see bad reasoning, I’ll call it out. Even if it’s done by “my side”.

Show threadScary le PooJul 30, 2023

No, it was not a comparison, it was an ANALOGY.

“A relationship of resemblance or equivalence between two situations, people, or objects, especially when used as a basis for explanation or extrapolation.”

The important word here is resemblance. This is an analogy showing a resemblance, not a comparison.

Show threadusernotfoundJul 30, 2023
Ok.
Show threadwhatsarefoogeeJul 29, 2023
This is quite a bit worse than kicking a puppy. Of course, it’s horrible when puppies get kicked but ultimately they will be on. This, on the other hand would be a major set back to humanity, potentially permanent as our rights and privacy are erroded day by day.