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2023 Belgian Grand Prix - [SPRINT SHOOTOUT] discussion thread

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2023 Belgian Grand Prix - [SPRINT SHOOTOUT] discussion thread - Lemmy.world

FORMULA 1 MSC CRUISES BELGIAN GRAND PRIX 2023 | Circuit stats| | | ----------- | ----------- | | First Grand Prix | 1950 | | Number of laps | 44 | | Lap record | 1:46.286 Valtteri Bottas (2018) | | 2022 winner | Max Verstappen | Image [https://media.formula1.com/image/upload/content/dam/fom-website/2018-redesign-assets/Circuit%20maps%2016x9/Belgium_Circuit.png.transform/7col-retina/image.png]

Jul 29, 2023 at 7:40amWeb
Show thread__lb__Jul 29, 2023
Indefinite delay. Hopeful they still do some driving.
Show threadPhotographerJul 29, 2023
I’m watching, but this is just a repeat of yesterday really so it’s not something I’ll be upset if I miss
Show thread__lb__Jul 29, 2023
I really enjoyed yesterday with the drying track. Hope we get the same today.
Show threadLCPJul 29, 2023
Woke up early in the morning for this 😭
Show threadespentanJul 29, 2023
Shootout starts at 12:35.
Show threadCoelacanthJul 29, 2023
Piastri on a tear lately. Great lap.
Show threadTheWheelMustGoOnJul 29, 2023
Wtf was that haas?
Show threadWhiteHawkJul 29, 2023
A dishaaster
Show threadCoelacanthJul 29, 2023
I’m kind of getting sick of them taking a grid spot honestly. Such an unserious teams.
Show threadsoviettatersJul 29, 2023
I’m still bitter that they fired Mick when he was at their very low level. Hulk deserves better.
Show threadTheBlue22Jul 29, 2023

THROW. STROLL. AWAY.

fucking useless seat taker

Show threadsoviettatersJul 29, 2023
It’s not his fault. He was on medium tires when he should have been on intermediates. His team told him to just go for it since he had no opportunity to switch tires. He’s not great but this was not on him.
Show threadCoelacanthJul 29, 2023
Aston Martin makes me depressed right now. Why Mediums?
Show threadlittle_bits_of_infoJul 29, 2023
The FIA in their “wisdom” never declared the track wet. They didn’t want teams to have a free selection of slicks, so AM had to follow the rules.
Show threadCoelacanthJul 29, 2023
Ah, I missed the start but that makes sense. Well, actually it makes no sense, but it explains it.
Show threadGerryflapJul 29, 2023
Are you sure? That quali format with fixed tires was a one-off test right? Afaik those rules don’t apply now. They didn’t apply in the quali yesterday either. I think it was just a wrong call from Aston
Show threadlittle_bits_of_infoJul 29, 2023
On the broadcast they asked AM and the response was it was never declared wet. They followed up with the FIA and were told it was an intentional decision to not declare wet. I think the trial was for regular quali, and the restriction was already in place for sprint quali.
Show threadGerryflapJul 29, 2023
Ah okay thanks. I stand corrected then. Kinda silly rule
Show threadwhelks_chanceJul 29, 2023
Which is super weird for a session which was delayed due to rain. It shouldn’t really be an opinion.
Show threadThewheeeeeeeeeelJul 29, 2023
FFS MAX!
Show threadGsichtJul 29, 2023
Where were the Mercs at the end there?
Show threadwesJul 29, 2023
Didn’t this also happen yesterday?
Show threadCoelacanthJul 29, 2023
Piastri 11 thousands behind Max, wow!
Show threadCheeseToastieJul 29, 2023
Yeah, but that was an agonizing watch to see Verstappen come in to snatch pole away
Show threadCoelacanthJul 29, 2023

I agree, though I’m getting more numb to it over time. The exact scenario has happened too many times this season alone. He’s actually just too good.

Maybe in 2029 or whatever when his contract runs out and he goes to WEC we can have competition at the front again. For now we just have to accept we can’t have nice things. Unless those things are Max winning from pole. We can have plenty of that.

Show threadDV8Jul 29, 2023
The new engines in 2026 will shake things up probably. Don’t despair. And remember that it’s not just the car since Perez is not even consistently second with the same car. It’s Max’ brilliant, unrelenting perfection.
Show threadCoelacanthJul 29, 2023

Thats why I alluded to the end of Max’s contract rather than 2026; I know it’s not just the car.

I’m not particularly convinced the new engines will solve anything, either. Not unless the rules change substantially. We are in an aero formula currently, the engines don’t make a particularly huge difference.

Especially also considering Max is good enough that it won’t be enough for another team to catch up - Red Bull needs to be behind for there to be competitive fights for the win.

I have a feeling we have several years left to go of Max strolling to victory and stifling a yawn as an unexcited “well that was simply lovely” comes over the radio.

Show threadLCPJul 29, 2023
Fantastic stuff by Piastri.
Show threadCheeseToastieJul 29, 2023
FIA has some explaining to do on not declaring a wet track. I’m not a Stroll fan but if it’s true that they had no choice but to put on the medium tyres then that’s pretty rough.
Show threadZickZackJul 29, 2023

I hope that heads roll at haas for that disaster. There's one thing making wrong choices in high-stakes scenarios, but they sent out their drivers too late twice within 24h. That's just an unforced, unexplainable blunder. If I were gene haas I'd be furious: spend 100 MILLION dollars to develop a car and they don't even manage to get it around the track once.

This is doubly bad considering that sprints are one of their most reliable places to get points considering that their tire wear doesn't affect them too much over shorter distances.
They might as well pack up and go home now to conserve their parts since at this point there not going to achieve anything anyways.

Show threadcybersandwichJul 30, 2023
1 Max VERSTAPPEN Red Bull Racing 2 Oscar PIASTRI McLaren +6.677 3 Pierre GASLY Alpine +10.733 4 Carlos SAINZ Ferrari +12.648 5 Charles LECLERC Ferrari +15.016 6 Lando NORRIS McLaren +16.052 7 Lewis HAMILTON Mercedes +16.757 8 George RUSSELL Mercedes +16.822 9 Esteban OCON Alpine +22.410 10 Daniel RICCIARDO AlphaTauri +22.806 11 Lance STROLL Aston Martin +25.007 12 Alexander ALBON Williams +26.303 13 Valtteri BOTTAS Alfa Romeo +27.006 14 Kevin MAGNUSSEN Haas F1 Team +32.986 15 Guanyu ZHOU Alfa Romeo +36.342 16 Logan SARGEANT Williams +37.571 17 Nico HULKENBERG Haas F1 Team +37.827 18 Yuki TSUNODA AlphaTauri +39.267 19 Sergio PEREZ Red Bull Racing DNF 20 Fernando ALONSO Aston Martin DNF