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Woland Jul 28, 2023

Tesla exaggerated EV range so much that drivers thought cars were broken

https://lemm.ee/post/2213782

Tesla exaggerated EV range so much that drivers thought cars were broken - lemm.ee

Tesla has consistently exaggerated the driving range of its electric vehicles, reportedly leading car owners to think something was broken when actual driving range was much lower than advertised. When these owners scheduled service appointments to fix the problem, Tesla canceled the appointments because there was no way to improve the actual distance Tesla cars could drive between charges, according to an investigation by Reuters.

C4d Jul 28, 2023

I would like to see some numbers.

When it came time to replace an old car a few years ago I actually discounted several EVs because on paper neither the range, nor the performance, nor the charging matched up to Tesla.

I discounted Tesla because I didn’t like the way a certain CEO went about their business and so couldn’t trust the company.

Looking at this, I should have just bought the EV I wanted back then and been done with it.

samokosik Jul 28, 2023

You shouldn’t have bought an EV unless you plan to use it solely for driving around a city.

fearout Jul 28, 2023

How often do you take road trips? The vast majority of trips taken by car are within 20–30 km. An average EV range can easily cover most people’s daily driving needs.

samokosik Jul 28, 2023

Of course. If you have averagely 20-30 km trips and charge the vehicle overnight, EVs are good. However, when you travel more kilometers and need to charge more than 0 times on the way to your destination, you waste many hours.

sky Jul 28, 2023

Have you actually road tripped an EV? You don’t waste “many hours” you spend like 15 minutes every 200 miles charging while you piss and walk your dog.

I more than once have done 600+ miles in a day in the lowest-range Tesla available. It’s just fine.

samokosik Jul 28, 2023

yes, you spend ideally 15 minutes, realistically more. With a gasoline car, I spend around 5

lurkinggizmo Jul 28, 2023

You don’t spend 5. You spend at least 10 minutes, where charging takes 15-20.

If you have 110L tank, yes it takes 10 minutes. If you charge your car in 15-20 minutes, then good for you. In my area, there is one such a charger and unless you plan to charge your car at 3:00 AM, you will not find less than 5 cars in front of it.

Regular chargers we have here will take at least hour to charge your vehicle

lurkinggizmo Jul 28, 2023

Ok, but there are always exceptions. You can’t use those as an argument. There are also some regions where it takes hours to stand in line for gas. Doesn’t mean that is the average and that I should go around teling people it is.

EV charging in EU (!) is on average (!!) almost identical to gas cars currently especially the newer models with 300KWh charging capabilities. I think it will take you less time to charge those than gas even.

samokosik Jul 28, 2023

For how long have we been building gas stations compared to chargers?

Of course charging will become faster over time and maybe even overtake the gasoline cars. What will do this to batteries though? Despite development, super fast charging still kills the battery more than slow charging and the loss of performance would be felt during winter.

But yes, once electric cars have the same range and can be charged as fast as gasoline cars can be fille, the main drawback will be away. That does not mean I will buy one, maybe just for a city and if I have enough money not to care that much about 20k.

lurkinggizmo Jul 28, 2023

Respect your personal choice. As long as it’s not discussed as “EV is only good for city trips”. I understand your personal situation and preference, bit the facts are that that is an outdated view for many situations.

samokosik Jul 28, 2023

I mean today it’s still only for city purposes 🤷 Maybe in the future when the situation improves, it will be usable on sth else, as well.

Still I don’t understand why the resources aren’t rather put to development of synthetic fuels.

lurkinggizmo Jul 28, 2023

I’ll just bluntly keep repeating myself just like you are repeating yourself (even after being presented with experiences talking about the opposite) -> EV is not for city purposes only.

samokosik Jul 28, 2023

I will end it here as I refuse to repeating the same relevant points over and over again.

EVs, at least where I live, cannot be taken for longer trips.

lurkinggizmo Jul 28, 2023

Me (and others) are trying to explain to you that your personal “experience” is not grounds to make statements like you are making (e.g. EVs are only for small trips). The fact that you choose to ignore all that and focus only on your own (limited) experience is not my fault.

Limiting it to “in my area” it would be absolutely fine and right, but you are incorrectly telling people like it is not ready for prime time yet everywhere, when it clearly is.

So if you let that go, there would be no need to keep repeating yourself ;) but you keep opening a can of worms if each reply contains a blanket statement.

I’ll let it go, sorry for hammering on about it.

samokosik Jul 28, 2023

Guys, it’s fine that you like them, feel free to use them.

On the other hand, you cannot argue against the facts that these cars explode from time to time, the infrastructure for them is nowhere near as good as for regular cars and that charging and range are worse. So no, they are far from ready.

To me it seems like electric cars are meant to be a replacement for gasoline cars, yet they are worse almost at everything (today). They are basically a solution to a non-existent problem.

Some argue they are more ecological, yet this is debatable. I don’t know but explosions don’t seem too ecological to me and the fact you can throw out a huge battery cell approximately every 8 years does not seem ecological either. Especially when we add the cost of the battery replacement, it does not make sense to replace it. Economically, it’s a better decision to just buy a new car, which again creates additional waste…

lurkinggizmo Jul 28, 2023

Omg dude, this is just getting silly. Good luck m8.