outrageousmatterLemmy Debates, Special Prosecutor Jack Smith Indicted Trump on 3 more felony charges.
PrataiIs there supposed to be a news article here?
It’s suppose to be megathread.
A megathread on a topical event where there’s not even a link to explain what the megathread is about?
Jordan LundDOJ lawyers modified the Federal documents indictment in Florida to add three new felony charges, bumping the number of charges against Trump down there from 37 to an even 40.
I’m keeping track here:
Trump criminal case timeline: - Lemmy.one
This seemed to be popular information when I posted it (ahem) “elsewhere”. Thought it might be welcome to have here. If you’re trying to keep track of where we’re at in the Trump prosecutions: Updated 7/27/2023 January 6th Federal Investigation Investigation <- You Are Here [https://www.brookings.edu/articles/trump-on-trial/] (Trump has been sent a “Target Letter” indicating he is under investigation and has been given until July 20th, 2023 to appear before the grand jury. [https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/trump-special-counsel-probe/index.html]) Indictment Arrest Trial Conviction Sentencing Georgia - Election Interference Investigation <- You Are Here 2 new grand juries impaneled 7/11/2023. Indictment - July 11th to September 1st. [https://www.ajc.com/politics/trump-probe-da-urges-law-enforcement-to-prep-for-indictments-this-summer/56OGCLMNOVGPXMJ6YXDPXQOSWY/] (Grand Jury work expected July 31 to Aug. 18 [https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/07/11/trump-grand-jury-fulton-county-georgia/]) Arrest Trial Conviction Sentencing New York State - 34 felonies, Stormy Daniels Payoff Investigation Indictment Arrest <- You Are Here Trial - March 25th, 2024 [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-05-23/trump-gets-march-25-2024-trial-date-in-ny-hush-money-case] Conviction Sentencing Florida - 40 felonies, Federal documents charges Investigation Indictment Arrest <- You Are Here 3 new felonies added 7/27/2023. [https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/27/feds-add-new-charges-against-trump-in-classified-documents-case-00108667] Trial - May 20, 2024 [https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/federal-judge-sets-may-2024-start-trump-classified-docs-trial-rcna95222] Conviction Sentencing Other grand juries, such as for the documents at Bedminster, have not been announced. The E. Jean Carroll trial for sexual assault and defamation where Trump was found liable and ordered to pay $5 million before immediately defaming her again resulting in a demand for $10 million is not listed as it’s a civil case and not a crimimal one.
I can only see posts from 1 month ago or later there (politics@beehaw), even sorting by new, and it’s saying I’m subscribed. Huh
revelrousBeehaw defederated from shitworks around then (they are waiting for mod tools to refederate), you can see beehaw if you log out, or use a different instance.
Oh thank you! I wasn’t aware. Okay, I have an account on Lemmy.world I can swap to :)
Sorry about that, here’s the text until I can get a new link sorted out:
This seemed to be popular information when I posted it (ahem) “elsewhere”. Thought it might be welcome to have here.
If you’re trying to keep track of where we’re at in the Trump prosecutions:
Updated 7/27/2023
January 6th Federal Investigation
Investigation <- You Are Here
(Trump has been sent a “Target Letter” indicating he is under investigation and has been given until July 20th, 2023 to appear before the grand jury.)
Indictment
Arrest
Trial
Conviction
Sentencing
Georgia - Election Interference
Investigation <- You Are Here
2 new grand juries impaneled 7/11/2023.
Indictment - July 11th to September 1st.
(Grand Jury work expected July 31 to Aug. 18)
Arrest
Trial
Conviction
Sentencing
New York State - 34 felonies, Stormy Daniels Payoff
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest <- You Are Here
Trial - March 25th, 2024
Conviction
Sentencing
Florida - 40 felonies, Federal documents charges
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest <- You Are Here
3 new felonies added 7/27/2023.
Trial - May 20, 2024
Conviction
Sentencing
Other grand juries, such as for the documents at Bedminster, have not been announced.
The E. Jean Carroll trial for sexual assault and defamation where Trump was found liable and ordered to pay $5 million before immediately defaming her again resulting in a demand for $10 million is not listed as it’s a civil case and not a crimimal one.
That is very kind of you to do, I appreciate it and thank you. And yes, I am interested in the post…just curious if I’m doing something wrong or if I can fix the issue here, or if it’s something on Lemmy’s end. Not sure :)
Thanks again!
jordanlundDoesn’t help that lemmy.one appears to be completely dead now. :(
I had to set up lemmy.world and kbin.social accounts.
Can you post the Lemmy link instead so that we actually stay signed in? If you’re using an app your link doesn’t really work that well.
Hmm… I’m not sure how else to generate a link. All the sharing options generate the same one:
I’ll try from a browser later today and see if I can get something better.
Trump criminal case timeline: - Lemmy.one
This seemed to be popular information when I posted it (ahem) “elsewhere”. Thought it might be welcome to have here. If you’re trying to keep track of where we’re at in the Trump prosecutions: Updated 7/27/2023 January 6th Federal Investigation Investigation <- You Are Here [https://www.brookings.edu/articles/trump-on-trial/] (Trump has been sent a “Target Letter” indicating he is under investigation and has been given until July 20th, 2023 to appear before the grand jury. [https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/trump-special-counsel-probe/index.html]) Indictment Arrest Trial Conviction Sentencing Georgia - Election Interference Investigation <- You Are Here 2 new grand juries impaneled 7/11/2023. Indictment - July 11th to September 1st. [https://www.ajc.com/politics/trump-probe-da-urges-law-enforcement-to-prep-for-indictments-this-summer/56OGCLMNOVGPXMJ6YXDPXQOSWY/] (Grand Jury work expected July 31 to Aug. 18 [https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/07/11/trump-grand-jury-fulton-county-georgia/]) Arrest Trial Conviction Sentencing New York State - 34 felonies, Stormy Daniels Payoff Investigation Indictment Arrest <- You Are Here Trial - March 25th, 2024 [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-05-23/trump-gets-march-25-2024-trial-date-in-ny-hush-money-case] Conviction Sentencing Florida - 40 felonies, Federal documents charges Investigation Indictment Arrest <- You Are Here 3 new felonies added 7/27/2023. [https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/27/feds-add-new-charges-against-trump-in-classified-documents-case-00108667] Trial - May 20, 2024 [https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/federal-judge-sets-may-2024-start-trump-classified-docs-trial-rcna95222] Conviction Sentencing Other grand juries, such as for the documents at Bedminster, have not been announced. The E. Jean Carroll trial for sexual assault and defamation where Trump was found liable and ordered to pay $5 million before immediately defaming her again resulting in a demand for $10 million is not listed as it’s a civil case and not a crimimal one.
Rebranding without a particular purpose really only serves to make everything more confusing. See X.com
If an opinion poll is needed to validate the rebrand, after the rebrand, then it’s probably not the right choice.
True, I’ll rechange it now back to megathread and link an article.
Pretty sure if I shared a classified war plan I would get life in prison. Lock him up.
I’m so over it tbh, they never will
ImFresh3xIf he isn’t pardoned I think he will spend the rest of his life on house arrest or in prison. These charges are serious, there’s undeniable evidence, and there’s about to be multiple venues so he can’t rely on a judge helping him in every case. Without a pardon his best outcome is being in a mar a lago prison until he dies.
But he’s likely to get a pardon before then.
Respectfully you’re delusional. Sorry to burst this bubble of yours but disabuse yourself of that dream, you’re only going to be disappointed.
Hes gonna get a sweetheart plee deal where hes inelligeble to run for office, payd a big fine, and never sees prison. The US already has displayed is had no idea how to punish people like him. They straight up dropped the chages on Matt Gaetz for diddling children, I have no hope for anything real happening to Trump.
Scotty_TreesFederal pardons issued by the president apply only to federal offenses; they do not apply to state or local offenses or private civil offenses.
State charges don’t and will never affect presidents while their on office. Alabama can’t just issue an arrest warrant for Biden. They would if they could. NY and/or GA state will have to wait until after he’s out of office to continue its judicial outcomes, if he wins.
And no senate is going to impeach trump as long as there is a Republican Party.
His best case scenario is he gets elected in '24 and courts are mired in the unprecedented nature of what to do with a commander in chief that is a criminal. You’d think it’s simple, but it’s really not.
His second best case scenario is that another Republican wins in '24. Even in that case, I have a hard time envisioning how he goes from today where he’s like 15 pts ahead but his party acquiesces because of that even though they hate his fucking guts, and he also somehow loses the primary and someone who has enough tolerance for him and the political fallout from a pardon actually goes through with it.
And then there’s the problem that even if he’s pardoned from the federal crimes, it doesn’t extend to the state crimes.
Right now, the likely and not optimal scenario is that he’s a very obese nearly 80 year old incontinent man who hasn’t seen exercise or vegetable in decades has been mainlining diet coke and mcdonalds the entire time. There is a likelihood that he doesn’t see consequence because he doesn’t make it that far. This is also why I wouldn’t be very worried about '28.
Outside of that, there are public recordings with him virtually confessing to every one of these crimes. Hell, half of them were on TV. So, although I won’t be surprised if he somehow rides off into the sunset, it seems unlikely. But anyway, his actual chance at multiple pardons are basically 0.
He won’t be pardoned of the Georgia charges. Not a federal court.
Yeah. My comment was made before GA charges were made.
i am not saying the “both sides” shit
but the reason they won’t prosecute him properly is because then they all will be prosecuted properly as well when they do crime which they are all doing
Be careful what you wish for.
Some other extreme right-wing nutjob was imprisoned after a failed 'coup' about 100 years ago.
That gave him a whole load of martyr rhetoric to play off.
People need to be held accountable for their actions. Right now, politicians and those in powerful positions, such as CEOs of the biggest companies, are given way too much power and influence with a complete lack being held responsible when shit hits the fan. Worst case for most of them is that they but their way out of their problems. It’s pathetic and it shows how the system that was supposed to prevent this shit is broken.
whoa, i just said be careful, not let him off scott free.
but sometimes the social consequences of a legal sytem designed for normal people can become inflammatory when cult leaders get involved. (citation deliberatly withheld - likely apocryphal anyway
all i mean is, if you can find a way to achieve what you want from the punishment, but minimize or otherwise control those risks , it'd be a good idea.
Flying SquidSo Trump shouldn’t face consequences? He should be allowed to just get away with it to stop him becoming a martyr?
I don’t agree with the guy who posted that but I kind of think the US government does. I think Trumps gonna get a sweetheart plea deal because theyre either afraid of his supporters or one of his supporters.
Don’t they have to negotiate the plea deal with Smith? Because I don’t think he’d play ball on that.
That and you don’t offer a plea deal on a slam dunk case. The federal government does not often lose when it brings charges. The info in that indictment should be enough, but if that’s the high level of what they have, the evidence presented in court will be wild.
Yeah but he literate and wrote a book with ideas in it (albeit flawed).
LillyPipTrump has never written a book. He paid other people to write books and slap his name on the cover. I doubt he’s even read the books he claims to have written.
I was referring to Hitler being literate and having written a book.
He didn’t write shit, he dictated it to Hess. And it is a rambling mess.
You got me, I’ve never read it or even recall any excerpts from it, I just assume that he must have been more intelligent than Trump.
At his age going to prison is very likely a lifetime sentence.
That gave him a whole load of martyr rhetoric to play off.
Only because they let him off easy. He should never have been let anywhere near a political position after his coup attempt. Same for Trump!
true, i dont know anyting about the USA politics.
Would the criminal conviction block politcal office for life?
I'd advise against crucifiction though.
Hitler was a hell of a lot younger than Trump though. The shaved orange orangutan is running out of runway for that kind of shit. Hell, as are a lot of his supporters for that matter.
tbf - i dont think it was really youth he needed, it was probably as much the combination of lingering ww1 debt and the wall st crash .
Hopefully theres been stock market crashes recently that people are a bit more resilient and dont get so suggestible.
You weren't the supreme commander of the US armed forced ...
Were being the operative word. He was not CiC when he retained or showed off the plan to go to war with Iran, and despite what he (and maybe you) thinks, he doesn’t have the power to declassify with his mind.
I think he’s only charged with retention/obstruction. No one in recent times has gotten a prison sentence for retention just fines. If you leak or sell classified information that’s a different story.
Obstruction on the other hand, you do go away for.
More charges are likely coming.
No, they charged him with sharing documents with unauthorized people.
Do you have a source on that? Every news source I look up just shows “willful retention” which is a slap on the wrist offense in recent history.
It’s in the article:
In a 60-page superseding indictment unveiled Thursday, prosecutors also accused Trump of possessing a highly classified war plan that he shared with people lacking security clearances months after his presidency ended.
I just read through the indictment and while he’s only charged with retaining those documents they do have evidence he shared some of them with his staff as well. In the transcript he even says “As president, I could have declassified, but now I can’t”. What an idiot.
TechyDadNot even sharing, if either of us had taken 1% of the documents Trump had taken and kept them in a publicly accessible area like Trump did, we’d be sitting in a prison cell awaiting trial. We wouldn’t be able to travel the country telling people why it’s “so unfair” that we were being prosecuted for taking classified documents.
Trump is right that he’s being treated differently than other people. Where he’s wrong is assuming “differently” means he’s being treated harsher than everyone else is treated. Instead, he’s being treated with the softest of kid gloves. He was given multiple chances to return the documents, chances that we likely wouldn’t have gotten. Had he returned everyone, he likely wouldn’t be facing charges in this case. Instead, he tried to keep the documents and impede the investigation. Now, he’s facing consequences for his actions while screaming that consequences are unfair for one such as himself.
It’s one big circus. However, we’re the clowns cause we keep waiting for the main act to start.
PsythikMegathread
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Come on, redditors, join us already. This is sad.
Hey, we’re at 17 comments now!
sawdustprophetHey, we’re at 17 comments now!
20 as of this comment.
57 now. Woo!
WilshireThis is comment 67.
Commenter 69 didn’t do a shoutout.
My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
REdOGI think ist sad the mods still think they’re at reddit.
Yesterday three wasn’t shit in this sub but they still took Time to delete a very active thread about this sub only being for US politics…I don’t like the new mods already and am already looking for a better politics community…fuck the mods here