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Spain's unemployment rate falls to 15-year low of 11.60% in Q2

https://lemmy.zip/post/792026

Spain's unemployment rate falls to 15-year low of 11.60% in Q2 - Lemmy.zip

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/792025 [https://lemmy.zip/post/792025] > Archived version: https://archive.ph/Q0U2H [https://archive.ph/Q0U2H] > Archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20230727215947/https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/spains-unemployment-rate-falls-15-year-low-1160-q2-2023-07-27/ [https://web.archive.org/web/20230727215947/https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/spains-unemployment-rate-falls-15-year-low-1160-q2-2023-07-27/]

Jul 27, 2023 at 10:01pmWeb
Show threadhuojtkegJul 27, 2023
Stats are manipulated. 3 years ago the government changed the name of the temporary job contracts to “discontinuous permanent worker”. They are hired by a company but they only work few days or even few months a year. People with that kind of contract does not count as unemployed, even of they only work few days a year.
Show threadBrikoXJul 28, 2023
Thank you for the context.
Show threadghost_laptopJul 28, 2023
If I am understanding it correctly it is still not good because this generally means companies outsource their workforce and hire “freelancers” to avood paying the same benefits as if they were regular workers.
Show threadtestingtesting123Jul 28, 2023
Stats are not perfect but they are not manipulated. People working less hours are still workers. Global working hours have also increased. Minijobs in Germany are similar.
Show threadhuojtkegJul 29, 2023

No, we have more employment with less working hours.

eleconomista.es/…/la-falla-del-record-de-ocupacio…

Show threadtestingtesting123Jul 29, 2023

I am not saying otherwise, total working hours have increased, but if you divide by workers have decreased, elpais.com/…/las-horas-trabajadas-alcanzan-las-co… .

But if there were manipulation of data the amount of hours wouldn’t increase. There is a difference in saying the data is manipulated and saying the data don’t tell you the whole story, one questions the data and good faith, the other questions the completeness of the analysis.

Furthermore, the unemployment rate doesn’t tell you the whole story because working hours and salaries. The later have not increased meaningfully in the last 20 years… meaning people actually need to work more to have the same life level.

Las horas trabajadas alcanzan las cotas previas a la Gran Recesión tras dispararse en el primer trimestre

El menor tiempo de trabajo que se ha estado registrando hasta ahora explica el retraso en la recuperación del PIB previo a la pandemia

El País
Show threadShowroom7561Jul 27, 2023
11.6% unemployment seems really, really high for a developed country! What’s the hell is up, Spain?
Show threadhuojtkegJul 28, 2023
Real unemployment (calculated with the total number of hours worked, number of temporary workers… etc) is between 19% and 23%. It has been like this since 2008 crisis. The unemployment among youth people is 45%
Show threadtestingtesting123Jul 28, 2023
What source are you using? This is EPA that is higher than the number of unemployment registered The comments about not finding spanish people…maybe not at the salary they want to pay… www.ine.es/dyngs/INEbase/es/operacion.htm?c=Estad…
Show threadhuojtkegJul 29, 2023

eleconomista.es/…/la-falla-del-record-de-ocupacio…

www.lavozdegalicia.es/…/0003_202306G17P28991.htm

Show threadrandon31415Jul 28, 2023
Just in time to not effect the elections in any headline inducing way.