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Lawrence Walters Jul 26, 2023

You can't keep telling people the future is a fascist takeover and ecological collapse, and conservatives and corporations are the ones directly responsible and are blocking efforts to fix it, and not expect people to ask why we're being so goddamn nice to them in that case.

Nowhere Girl Jul 26, 2023

Like, I'm over civility and norms. Where is the aggression this situation demands?

Because if it's a choice between death and destruction or expelling, prosecuting, or killing a bunch of fascists, I know which side I'm coming down on.

It's no Gordian Knot.

But our entire political moment is construed around the idea that these people are Good and Decent, actually, and we have to work with them, despite them trying to do coups and kill us all.

Because they're white and rich.

Nowhere Girl Jul 26, 2023

The more the nominal opposition plays games and dances around these facts -- while screaming FIRE, no less, but letting it burn -- the less trustworthy they are, and they already have a huge trust deficit from love bombing these people every chance they get.

Nowhere Girl Jul 26, 2023

"Politics isn't a game."

No, it isn't. It's serious. So why do they keep acting like it is?

FoolishOwl Jul 26, 2023

@gwynnion What's most frustrated me is that, perhaps more than on any other issue, what passes for an organized radical left in the US is actively opposed to meaningful climate action. It's all uncritical support for rearguard labor unions, more jobs at any cost, and a future of "Fully Automated Luxury Communism".

I don't know how we can have effective degrowth (that includes, for instance, meeting the needs of disabled people) without large scale coordination.

Nowhere Girl Jul 26, 2023

@foolishowl A significant portion of the left have convinced themselves nothing has to change, that they can maintain their lifestyles at no great cost, which is not what "we already have enough resources to feed, house, and clothe everyone in the world" means. But they're as lazy and venal as the liberals they claim to loathe.

Tical91 Jul 27, 2023

@gwynnion @foolishowl They are as lazy and venal as the liberals they claim to loathe because they are liberals lmao

They care only for their personal egos (and that of their in groups). Its why they are silent when it comes to important issues. Ex: Vegans who talk down to people who eat meat or use plastic straws. They adopt the principle for the social bit, not the activist bit.

Its another reason why fuckface 45 melts their brains.

SquidAceBoi Jul 26, 2023

@foolishowl @gwynnion gotta love big tent politics aka centrism aka “he’s not that bad” politics.

Ciggy Bringer of Smoke Jul 26, 2023

@gwynnion I actually think people would be better off if it was a game, and they were serious game players. Often enough, defining a thing as a game helps flesh out the parameters, limits, rules and available moves with risk analysis and goal analysis laced in every part that...really feels lacking among The Most Serious Partisans who scoff at games for being childish.

Like, yeah, this stuff isnt Candyland with no stakes one can just drop when it gets boring or hard, thats what makes it a good game to git gud at.

Marc Jul 27, 2023

@gwynnion "All voting is a sort of gaming, like chequers or backgammon, with a slight moral tinge to it, a playing with right and wrong, with moral questions; and betting naturally accompanies it. The character of the voters is not staked. I cast my vote, perchance, as I think right; but I am not vitally concerned that that right should prevail. I am willing to leave it to the majority. Its obligation, therefore, never exceeds that of expediency. Even voting *for the right* is *doing* nothing for it." - H.D. Thoreau, On the duty of #civildisobedience

Ted Lemon Jul 27, 2023

@gwynnion Because "they" don't represent us, and we aren't fixing that problem by organizing en masse in support of people who do. That is what we have to do. Expecting people we don't hold to account to do what we want is naive madness.

Rochelle W.Jul 26, 2023

@gwynnion I don't see it that way. I see it as they have the power and if we choose violence, we are also choosing jail and harm to our families. There would have to be a big movement in order to protect people or a legal way toward change, so we don't leave our families alone to deal with the consequences of our actions.

EEs Jul 27, 2023

@gwynnion Preach it!

@gwynnion I'd not be surprised if a "Pink Army Faction" would form amidst the shit happening in the USA...
https://mstdn.social/@kkarhan/110784364849571672

Kevin Karhan :verified: (@[email protected])

Content warning: national trans care ban, expecting shit to hit the fan

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@gwynnion like seriously...

If this shit passes, there will not be riots but a literal rebellion...
https://octodon.social/@cwebber/110778122586970585

Christine Lemmer-Webber (@[email protected])

Content warning: national trans care ban, let's get organized

the Octodon

@gwynnion Let's just hope this doesn't happen...

Dan Wentzel 🏳️‍🌈Jul 27, 2023

@gwynnion I do not understand why Democratic leadership won’t get tough on Harlan Crow or Leonard Leo and obvious Supreme Court corruption. Where are the calls for Justice Thomas to step down and for the appointment of a special prosecutor?

Amanda Hugankiss Jul 27, 2023

@danwentzel @gwynnion Numbers. It’s all numbers now. They don’t have the numbers in Congress, and bipartisanship is dead.

Shoq Jul 26, 2023

@gwynnion I believe the only reason we seem so nice to them is because most our pundit class works for them and it keeps their words cordial and measured most if not all of the time. Which is why criticisms range from genteel to inert most of the time. It’s been a problem for decades, but social media has given the same stale complaints, strategies, and accommodationist rhetoric, far more traction than we can afford.

RevJeber Jul 27, 2023

@gwynnion @lisamelton
I hope the last living progressive kicks the living shit out of the last surviving fascist.

ChrisAshtear Jul 27, 2023

@gwynnion THANK YOU!

"Oh youll never change their mind with that attitude" - if they havent changed it by now its not going to change, theyre trash.