Please rename this community or change the subject
This is another example of US centrism. This is [email protected]. From the name there is no indication that this wouldn’t be about world politics. Please rename the community or change the subject to world politics and create a community like [email protected].
Again, I agree but the mention of reddit tells me they are just trying to recreate r/politics in the fediverse.
The saddest thing I see here is people creating clones of subs, making themselves the mod and the subs lie empty as they don't want to actually created content just be a mod. They are not creating a community, they are just name squatting.
I doubt it'd even due to cloning. It's just due to how Americans refer to politics. America is much more insulted from world events, so world politics is less talked about except in how it affects America. News stations, media, television, academia, everything, generally refers to it as "politics".
Ultimately, that being said, this is a terrible precedent to overthrow a community that has broken no rules. It's mob mentality and censorship. It is in violation of the fediverse principles. I even agree the naming convention would be better, but I don't think it should happen unless the admins make a rule.
Ultimately, that being said, this is a terrible precedent to overthrow a community that has broken no rules.
What?
I don't see any pitchforks being waved in the thread.
Can you point to a comment that even vaguely suggests what you claim?
It's mob mentality and censorship.
What?
Asking (politely) a sub name to reflect its content is mob mentality and censorship.?
What are you talking about? No one is saying “Delete this channel”, but rather “Either change the name of the channel to USpolitics or remove the rule that forbids discussing non-US politics in the ‘politics’ channel”.
If you think that asking for the bare minimum fairness that the name “politics” shouldn’t be a default of the US, your problem isn’t that your country isn’t being treated unfairly, but rather that you want your country to be treated with privilege.
You can't rename a community as far as I'm aware.
So you are asking that.
You're asking them to either create a new community from scratch or... change the meaning of the community to something they don't want to do (otherwise that's what they would have done).
Fairness? Are we four years old? They followed the rules. That's fair. They got it first. Create a community on another server. It's the damn fediverse. That's the entire point. Lemmy.world isn't literally the world. Stop promoting centralization with this crap.
I hate to blow your mind at this hour of the day, but every country refers to their own politics as just "politics".
I mean, if you're on that wavelength you're gonna freak out when you hear what Italians call Italian food.
Who’s talking about steamrolling? Is asking steamrolling now?
All I did was literally what you say. I petition the mods to please do the change, and a lot of people followed.
Of the ~10k subscribed people, ~2% upvoted this post in the last two hours while ~0.3% downvoted. That’s some significant numbers. Let’s see how it goes over the next day or so.
But none of that is steamrolling. As if anyone of the users here had the power to actually change something…
Considering people have been posting about this issue for much longer than a few days, I'm guessing nothing will happen. You aren't the first to complain. That's why I'm salty about it. It's pointless and annoying. Maybe something will happen simple because people won't shut up about it. People complain more here than they do on reddit about this stuff, at least relative to other content. Something so insignificant as the name of a community on one single server. I really don't want to start having to get community names approved by admins or something. I don't know how else you'd expect to tackle this problem.
As far as I know, there's no way to migrate a community. You're asking them to shutdown and start a new one.
All because they got a community name that you think should belong to some other group.
I see US politics as the biggest reality show ever produced. Nothing is about governing just shitting on the people from the other side.
All articles and discussion are about what the other side is doing wrong (hint: everything).
Exactly what I thought.
Thats is politics on the same level as me calling you a stupid poopface. Political in a sense that everything is political but nothing more.
I agree. The name is really US-centrist. Not giving good vibes.
Bitch, other countries use english too. No country should have dibs on general words to represent something that conserns, in this case, only one country.
I have noticed the same thing about US government websites end in .gov I think no government should have that privledge. Other governments use english too. Could US officials take their head out of their asses and use an ending like .usgov
IRC there's a museum in Paris which proudly shows all the inventions made by the French. It's worth a visit, simply because you'll likely have been taught plenty of them were American inventions. If you're a Brit, you'll have been taught many of those same inventions were British.
Jingoism and claiming inventions go hand in hand.
So if you visit a French museum and exhibit on the internet, they'd likey focus on Rémi Després, who was cited by Kahn and Cerf in their paper which IRC proposed the concept of TCP/IP. If you visit a British museum, they'll spend more time discussing Tim Berners-Lee and the world wide web. A Russian museum might mention Sary Shagan, who helped develop computer networks in the 1950s or they might mention OGAS a 1960s plan for a nationwide computer network.
It's the same for things like radio, the telephone, mobile telephones or television. Depending on who you ask, the country that invented it changes.
The reality is often more nuanced and complicated.
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Hopefully it will die and something like /geopolitics will take over.
I call it RCS (reddit clone syndrome).
Rather than let this place grow organically and have its own traditions and in jokes a group of people seem determined to make a clone of the place they recently left.
Petition the admins to create rules and apply them retroactively. Otherwise any other attempt to force your will is in violation of the fediverse. The community did not break any rules and sometimes shit sucks. Feelings don't get you what you want. I agree the naming convention would be better. But it's still entirely arbitrary. Shouldn't a community just called "politics" discuss political science and the concept of politics? It didn't say "worldpolitics" either. If someone created a "baseball" community and dedicated it to US baseball, I'd agree the name isn't the best, but there are no names. Lemmy.world said it's open to anyone. It never said it's communities needed to follow any arbitrary naming conventions.
You're right. It would be better. But a lot of things would be better in the world. Create a world politics community elsewhere. Everyone complaining about one single instance are not understanding the fediverse to begin with.
This is the sanest take.
People get mad about the amount of US news, but forget the US is essentially 52 (or more if we broke up by sheer size, or by populations or cultures) countries.
That doesn't really hold. To pick just two examples: Europe is 50-ish states (ca. 750 million people), the Indian subcontinent is almost 2b people.
Internet used to be US-centric, and English is still its lingua franca, but saying that 3/4 of the content here is US-related because of the sheer size of the country doesn't make that much sense.
It is also the richest country in the world, by a long shot
You’re more like 7ths, but ok.
Total wealth is a pretty useless indicator. Now make it per capita or use the more common GDP messure, and it looks something like that:
When it comes to measuring a country’s wealth, the most common metric used is Gross Domestic Product (GDP). The GDP measures the total value of goods and services produced within a country’s borders over a certain period, usually a year. Because the GDP is influenced by the population, the GDP per capita is a better […]
34% of the world's entire population lives in India or China. India is also the world's largest democracy. US is tiny by comparison.
this sub's rules explicitly state all contributions have to be about US politics specifically.
What does the first point have to do with anything? China is (or at least was as of a few months ago) the most populated country in the world… do you see many Chinese language posts on this site? Yeah, me neither. And that’s because Lemmy, just like Reddit, is a predominantly English language site.
India is far more populous than the US but they have a poverty rate over 80%. I don’t think people in poverty are wasting their time roaming the internet on their expensive smartphones. That’s a luxury afforded to far more people in Western countries and no other Western country is even remotely as large as the US that also speaks English.
what does the first point have to do with anything?
I'm addressing your claim that US-centric bias on an international site is due to "simply out of the sheer size of the country"
That's obviously not the reason. Here, you actually seem to be agreeing with me.
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