PutangInaMoJul 25, 2023

has lemmy.world been going down these past few days or is it the app I use?

https://lemmy.world/post/2146388

has lemmy.world been going down these past few days or is it the app I use? - Lemmy.world

For hours today, yesterday, and intermittently since I’ve been on here (a month or so) lemmy stops loading using jerboa, liftoff, and a web browser. The site isn’t listed on any down detector I know of, and each app gives different errors but ultimately just won’t load. It’s often enough that recently when I consider jumping on here I just don’t because there will probably be an issue. Ranging from not loading, JSON errors, or just blank screens and my comments not working… What’s going on? Is there a status page for these places?

Show threadAntik 👾Jul 25, 2023

There is a status page up on https://status.lemmy.world

We have been dealing with some DDOS attacks and are still taking extra measures to get everything sorted out but we are working with people in different timezones so it’s not always as easy to react.

So yes, we are working on improving things.

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Show threadrglullisJul 25, 2023

Sorry for being a bit harsh, but I have little sympathy for the admins of lemmy.world. Instead of looking for ways to disperse the people around other instances, it seems that the people behind .world are rushing to grab mindshare and concentrate as many people as they can in their own servers.

The threadiverse is not healthy when almost 50% of the active user base is in the same instance. The lemmy.ml admins basically shut down their instance for registration and said “please look elsewhere”. Why can’t you do the same?

Show threadAntik 👾Jul 25, 2023

It’s not that we can not handle the load caused by users or by the amount of communities. It’s because of DDOS attacks and even with cloudflare some of these attacks are challenging due to the way lemmy works. No instance is safe from these attacks but the bigger instances get targeted. We weren’t the only instance that went down today.

I don’t think we do anything wrong here? None of us are being paid, we all put in a lot of time and effort to keep things running. You don’t know how many passionate people are involved “behind the scenes” seeing you call out the admins of lemmy.world.
You can’t please everyone, and some people will always find a stick. But I still think a lot of people believe in our team, our policies and what we are trying to do here. If that’s not your thing, fine, you can look elsewhere.

Show threadrglullisJul 26, 2023

No instance is safe from these attacks but the bigger instances get targeted.

Then don’t work to become a big instance.

None of us are being paid,

If not you, someone is profiting from this

you can look elsewhere.

I’d love to, except lemmy.world went on to a huge land grab, cloned every possible popular community on reddit and is not giving any signs that will stop. Almost 50% of the user base is unreasonable and it goes against the ethos of federation and decentralization. An instance going down should not be newsworthy, but because it’s so big (relative to the others) it introduces systemic risk and approaches “too big to fail” status.

I shouldn’t be the one telling you.

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Show threadAntik 👾Jul 26, 2023

I am sure that it has nothing to do with you having any financial gains hosting instances. And that you do it all for the good of federation: lemmy.world/comment/1510374

Yes you would do things differently if you were in our position.

Please, need help deploying a lemmy instance... - Lemmy.world

I have tried the docker, ansible, and scratch methods. I have been troubleshooting for a month now. I have gotten nowhere. I need someone to help walk me through how to deploy a lemmy server because the guides [https://join-lemmy.org/docs/administration/administration.html] are absolute trash. Please help. I’m wasting money running this VPS and for literally nothing. Edit: So, I’ve tried the ansible method, but I can’t access my server this way. It just keeps saying “UNREACHABLE”. I have generated a dozen keys, none of them work. I have NO PROBLEMS with ssh in Putty. I can use Putty all day. Putty works fine using my ssh key. Ansible does not. No amount of new keys has made any difference. I have countless keys in my stupid droplet because of this hacky garbage.

Show threadrglullis

I am sure that it has nothing to do with you having any financial gains hosting instances. And that you do it all for the good of federation.

Yes for both, without sarcasm. I don’t think that the donation-based model is healthy or sustainable and I would rather see more service providers like mine.

Actually, I like to see more providers that can make real money and prove that this is feasible. I’ve been running communick for more than 3 years already, and it has been nothing but a small money pit. The managed hosting side of things is just barely breaking even.

Community is not enough · Raphael Lullis

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Jul 26, 2023 at 6:17amWeb
Show threadAntik 👾Jul 26, 2023

You just sound salty now that you quit your job to start a fediverse hosting company and it’s not working out the way you want. Donation-based models have been used for ages and it worked for mastodon.world so why shouldn’t it for lemmy.world? If donations and interest decreases we can always downscale.

Sorry you’re not breaking even, seems like running a managed hosting service for lemmy is not feasible🙄

Show threadrglullisJul 26, 2023

Donation-based models have been used for ages and it worked for mastodon.world

Maybe I wasn’t clear on the blog post. There are two objections to donation-based funding:

  • unless everyone working on an instance is properly compensated, it’s hard to say “it is working” or "it is sustainable"
  • it may work for particular instances, but it stunts the growth of the overall fediverse.

You might not see it that way, but my argument is that relying on donations hides the true costs of running the server from the users and (like in ad-funded business) distorts the “market” in a way that makes the overall system less efficient.