Mastodawn

001100 010010 Jul 25, 2023

Would you use teleporter technology if it existed? Why or Why not?

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/1065014

Would you use teleporter technology if it existed? Why or Why not? - Divisions by zero

You know those sci-fi teleporters like in Star Trek where you disappear from one location then instantaneously reappear in another location? Do you trust that they are safe to use? To fully understand my question, you need to understand the safety concerns regarding teleporters as explained in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQHBAdShgYI [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQHBAdShgYI] ::: spoiler spoiler I wouldn’t, because the person that reappears aint me, its a fucking clone. Teleporters are murder machines. Star Trek is a silent genocide! :::

jsveiga Jul 25, 2023

If it opens a spacetime tunnel and I cross it with all my original atoms, yes.

If it disintegrates me to 3d print a copy on the other side, no.

PunchingBag Jul 25, 2023

Stargate yes, Star Trek no.

counselwolf Jul 25, 2023

is star trek really clone rather than teleport? I haven’t really watched much of it (only like 3 or 4 seasons).

penguin Jul 25, 2023

The general idea is a teleporter rips you apart and the atoms go to the destination to be reassembled in the previous state.

Whether or not it kills you is speculation. Arguably you’re pretty dead if you’re ripped apart atom by atom, and then a clone is assembled using the same parts.

But I don’t think it’s answerable if the recreated “you” is a clone or not until people can figure out what the mind even is.

MonkderZweite Jul 25, 2023

Deth is a state in which your biological functions cease. So no, it doesn’t kill you, since you function properly after.

penguin Jul 25, 2023

Is it me functioning or is it a clone?

How does it matter, with the exact same memories?

penguin Jul 26, 2023

So you’d be fine with a scientist creating a perfect clone of you, and then killing you, letting the clone take your place?

If it had the same memories.

MonkderZweite Jul 26, 2023

Yes. Since i would still be alive and have no memories of being killed. There’s no distinguishion between a perfect clone and me. Sorry if you don’t like a “you” only being memories.

superkret Jul 26, 2023

It doesn’t matter to anyone but you, but you’re still killed.

MonkderZweite Jul 26, 2023

Only the killed body is dead. The clone is “you” too.

superkret Jul 26, 2023

That’s what the debate is about, and there’s no way to know if “you” travel to the new body or get killed with the old.

MonkderZweite Jul 26, 2023

Then let me tell you that Consciousness is based on memory. Memory copied => “you” copied, debate done.

superkret Jul 26, 2023

Thank you for finally solving one of humanities oldest philosophical questions.

MonkderZweite Jul 26, 2023

Thank modern neuroscience for that.

superkret Jul 26, 2023

I wouldn’t bet my life on studies done by scientists. And I am one.

penguin Jul 26, 2023

Consciousness is not based on memory or else computers would be considered conscious.

And a clone with all of your memories would mean you have two points of view. I could take your clone into a different room and you’d be able to tell me what they see. But it wouldn’t work like that because your own sense of self would still be locked in your head and the clone would get its own sense of self, albeit one with the same memories.

MonkderZweite Jul 26, 2023

Consciousness is not based on memory or else computers would be considered conscious.

What i meant, memory plays a key role.

Consciousness is, simplified, a set of self-feeding loops over input and memory, with emotions as regulatory mechanism.

would mean you have two points of view.

No, the input is not shared between two beings, even if there are two of the same.

and the clone would get its own sense of self, albeit one with the same memories.

Exactly. But because he has the same body, same memories and same feelings, he is you. Which would change with time if the original you is not deconstructed, because the “you” of today is not the “you” of yesterday because of memories, genexpression, yadda yadda.

penguin Jul 26, 2023

There is no reason what you describe should give rise to consciousness rather than a biological artificial intelligence. The sense of self, the perspective that feels like me peering out through my eyes, is not explained by anything you said.

A copy of me does not equal me because we’d both have separate senses of self. Having copied memories does nothing to affect that.