YoBuckStopsHereA Growing Share Of Americans Think States Shouldn’t Be Able To Put Any Limits On Abortion
Manifish_DestinyHuh.
If only there was supreme court legislation that fit what the majority of Americans have always wanted.
I don't disagree with your point regarding this specific argument, but we want to avoid a tyranny of the majority for a reason. It's dangerous. Popular rule isn't good because there may be a time where what's popular isn't aligned to your beliefs. Or quite frankly to what is logically "right". Law should be based on established reason, logic, precedent, etc. and not on what most Americans want. Most Americans are dumb.
AlwaysNowNeverNotMeTyranny of the majority > Tyranny of the minority every, single, time.
Personally I wouldn't want any kind of tyranny. But I guess that's just me.
Yeah that minoritarian Supreme Court is pumping out great decisions, letting a minority rule is clearly the way forward and not totally insane babble.
Almost like there's more than two options, and maybe we should opt for one that doesn't have an "either or" decision making process...
You make a good point, but it would land harder if the Supreme Court was not already a complete disaster that has been exposed for currying favor amongst the rich and powerful. The independence of the the court system from the government is one of the most important measures of a functioning democracy. You can see what is happening in Israel as an example of this point. In the United States it is no different and sadly the Supreme Court has done an horrendous job at showing they maintain any kind of independence from the political arms of our country.
Most Americans are dumb
This is pretty much why many of the founding fathers were against democracy. They wanted the rich, property owning men to be able to vote but thought that the poor and the working class (such as it was at the time) needed to be controlled lest they try to take away the property that rightfully belonged to the people who inherited it. They weren’t looking to secure the rights of ethnic minorities (obviously). They feared that popular elections would lead to a loss of property for the wealthy, whom they thought were the best positioned by virtue of education, influence, and an inborn sense of noblesse oblige to act in the best interests of the country as a whole. Rich people were obviously not going to be in it for themselves. The rich are the most likely to be selfless, and in any case their interests were most closely aligned with the interests of the country.
I think political science has moved past that model and has generally come to recognize that oligarchy is anti-democratic. Democracy would recommend free and widespread public education to try to make Americans less dumb.
There’s a party that is in opposition to that.
Public education is tricky since it needs to be reformed before its truly a worthy cause. It could be great, but for now there’s a lot of issues with it and people latch onto those
I have a feeling a lot of the issues are introduced by people who are interested in taking public education private. There’s a strong push from the US right to spend tax money funding privately run charter schools or to simply fund religious education as opposed to public schools.
I think, like with health care, the US should look at models from other countries that work better than ours. For now, US universities rank among the best in the world, but politicians like Ron DeSantis are coming for them, too.
But then you get the rule of the minority. Us that really better? You’re definitely right on established reason, logic, and precedent, but people can argue that they have points for all of those things that support abortion rights and points that support restrictions abortion. To someone either one is established reason, logic, and precedent.
It's not necessarily one or the other, you can cater to the needs of both the majority and the minority. They don't come into conflict nearly as much as conservatives would have you believe. As long as we don't cater to the needs of the minority that want to supplant the majority, and instead to those who want to live in harmony with everyone else.
Policies should in general be focused on the statistically proven as beneficial options. Instead we go for wedge issues that actually matter to no one.
Wedge issues like the majority versus the minority?
Trans men in sports is one of the hottest issues right now. Would you say you truly care about that at all?
I dunno if I use podcasts as my metric for how hot an issue is. The only time I really hear about that kind of thing is when people are complaining (albeit rightly so) about Joe Rogan's latest attempt at keeping himself relevant.
Too bad it’s not based on either right now. Majority rule is far from perfect, but minority rule tends to be worse. Law exclusively based on logic and reason may be a noble goal, but the most dangerous and extreme ideologues believe their arguments to be perfectly reasonable. At some point someone has to decide what is logical. Who? And how are they selected?
Until we have good answers to these questions I’m in favor of democratic systems.
queermunist she/herTyranny of the majority is a myth.
People who use “tyranny of the majority” seriously seem to prefer the “tyranny of a specific minority” - which is the only existing alternative.
if supreme court was for the people it would be appointed by the people.
Rut Roe (v Wade), shaggy. Shots fired.
supreme court legislation
The supreme court does not legislate. No court of any kind should be legislating. That’s the damn problem.
The reason the US is in the position it’s in is because while the rest of the world was going through its bodily autonomy revolution and democratically legislating abortion access, the US relied on a judicial decision (without a lawmaker being involved) based on a fragile foundation of “right to privacy”.