I Fell Down the Alt-Right Rabbit Hole. Eventually, I Climbed My Way Out.

https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/1227496

I Fell Down the Alt-Right Rabbit Hole. Eventually, I Climbed My Way Out. - Blåhaj Lemmy

I watched 30m of a Peterson lecture a co-worker recommended to me. It kind of opened my eyes. Peterson is basically a ‘motivational speaker’ that presents himself as an academic well enough to fool people that only understand academic aesthetics. He doesn’t even try to back up his claims or references, he just makes wildly abstract and generalized claims about human civilization and draws analogies that support that perspective. They sound right enough to people that want to believe that there is an expression of their culture that is inherently ‘good’ and all of civilization’s problems are based on corruptions of that culture. But in the minds of his fans he’s offering ‘proof’ of this perspective by appearing academic, even though he offers none.

This shines brightly in his “debate” with Slavoj Zizek

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I wish Zizek had went harder on that fool.

I felt like Zizek understood that debating Peterson directly wouldn’t benefit him, and instead took his case to the audience, sort of bypassing Peterson himself and focusing on the ideas he wanted to share.

However, I don’t disagree. I wanted to see more of Zizek shaking is head in “my god” disbelief at the bullshit Peterson was peddling.

Oh I know. It’s just frustrating because I really wanted to see an intellectual destroy Peterson and I thought this was gonna be my chance to do it.

Like fuck man, I’D debate Peterson and am confident I would wreck him, and I’m just a fucking carpenter working in camps.

I like watching crowder get destroyed sometimes but he’s not smart enough for me to give a shit when it happens.

Zizek actually said as much in an interview some time before (or after?) the debate. He was well aware that debating Peterson directly would be extremely difficult due to the “techniques” he uses. So Zizek focused on getting a message to the audience.

The few times he did engage were hilarious smackdowns though (“where are all these ‘postmodern marxists’???”)

As far as I’m concerned Zizek went the right amount of hard, considering how effortlessly, utterly, and thoroughly he dunked on Peterson without Peterson ever having any idea what had happened.

In no way was that fair play. That was the rudest thing I’ve ever seen done to a person and personally applauded. I love Zizek.

Peterson left that debate believing discourse had happened and that’s just hilarious.