Can you easily communicate in your country (business/private life) without being involuntarily forced to use whatsapp?

https://lemmy.world/post/2037625

Can you easily communicate in your country (business/private life) without being involuntarily forced to use whatsapp? - Lemmy.world

… is it possible to do any kind of business and/or have regular conversations without having to use whatsapp as a main way of communication? If you’d like you can say in what country you’re living.

When I installed Whatsapp and Viber my social life got back on track. I was wondering for few years where everyone was.

East europe.

Yes? And America? Wtf kinda country forces whatsapp?
I don’t think the implication is that the government is forcing anyone to use WhatsApp, but that in some places it controls enough share of the messaging market that people are forced to use it because that’s what everyone else is using.

No one said it is forced. It ia relatable to me as I live in East Europe and all my people use WhatsApp. It really is the main way of communication.

Businesses also use WhatsApp. Like boutique or handmade good stores, to have special requests or, for anything you can name as a conversation.

We have family group in WhatsApp. Any special occasion or events, we communicate on that group.

Like, 10-15 years before, it was MSN or equivalents. It evolved to WhatsApp. Telegram, too.

No one said it is forced The OP uses the word forced in the title

Thank God we’ve kept the tradition of “not reading” the article, the comment, or the post from Reddit.

I was starting to miss that.

/s

Isn’t it so cool? It keeps me motivated to argue.
Yeah, like context and reading comprehension. Are we still doing that?
Yeah but one can infer that it's not a literal governmental force but a societal force
I instantly edited my comment when I re-read the title to check if op actually said “forced”. Thanks for reading my full comment.
U.S., and I don’t know how many businesses use it, but I think it’s quite possible to avoid using it socially. I’m not sure if I even know anyone who does use it, and certainly no one has asked me to get one.
USA here - I work for a fortune 500 technology industry company…We use MS Teams internally for most stuff, mostly use MS Teams for organized conf calls internally and with customers, and then use regular text messaging for one-off messages with each other and customers. We don’t use whatsapp at all for anything - I am pretty sure I don’t even have a whatsapp account.
‘MS Teams’ Shudders
Unfortunately, after you eliminate all the collab services blatantly handing their data to government-backed built-in spy services, and all the services with off-shore backend servers, and all the services with poor track records for security, MS Teams is one of the only options left…as shitty as it is. Our customers insist on it, so we bend to their will.
My social life took a nose dive after uninstalling it.
And then a lot of communication ran through my wife’s account (she was connected to everyone and told me about what’s going on).
Germany.

US here. Companies I work for use Teams, Zoom, Outlook, WebEx, RingCentral, GChat for comms.

Personally among friends and family, we use Signal.

Nobody I know uses WhatsApp or even has it installed.

Australia here.

None of my friends or clients have ever contacted me in whatsapp.

I use telegram with my friends.

In SEA it seems like everyone is using Line. Fuck me I hate line.

USA here. No we don’t use WhatsApp at all. I communicate with all friends and family on Telegram or SMS. For work we use Slack. I refuse to have any Facebook anything installed on my phone (I don’t use social media anyway…except for Lemmy now I guess if that counts haha)
I’m a proponent of breaking social media into two categories. There should be “personal media” or something where you use your real name and information, and some other name for social media that you use an alias. The fact Reddit/Lemmy are in the same category as Facebook seems dumb. We need a better way to describe it. Depending on how you define it, news sites with comment sections could be called social media if you wanted to, but it’s clearly something different than Facebook.
Yes, whatsapp is not popular in USA. An iPhone is basically expected for messaging though.
The iphone part is not even close to being somewhat true. There are more Android users the iPhone users.
Worldwide, yes, there are more Android users. In the US, almost 60% of people use iOS.

I’m in the US and we use SMS instead of any specific app. It’s a pretty shitty protocol, but it’s at least not tied to any company.

Maybe in 2040 we’ll get an upgraded protocol when companies megacorps actually decide to try and bridge protocols.

Modern Android devices already use RCS, we just need Apple to get on board.
Apple is well known for their love of open standards, of course…
That’s exactly what I was getting at
Unfortunately, iMessage’s proprietary format is far more common than RCS in the US, so it’s unlikely anything is going to change without government action
Though I wouldn’t say Androids get it. More like Google Messages and a very few select apps get RCS. It’s a standard protocol in theory. In practice, not so much. I think there’s like 3 total apps. You’ll probably never see a FOSS RCS app, or one that isn’t tied to a big corp. Server implentations of RCS also aren’t standard, but most use Google Jibe.
The Netherlands and I barely use anything else to communicate with friends and family. Whatsapp is pretty much the only means of communication people use here.
Same in Belgium and Germany IME.

US here, and yes, easily. I have WhatsApp installed on my phone but it’s probably been over a year since I used it last. SMS, email, and Facebook Messenger are the media of choice in my social circle. Work communication is over Slack and email.

But if someone wanted to use WhatsApp to talk to me, I’d use it without being bothered much.

Canada. Email, SMS.

We get it Americans, you don’t use Whatsapp.

Unfortunately in most of the world it is pretty much required in many cases - I’m part of 3 work related Whatsapp groups (2 mandatory), many University groups (not mandatory technically, but much information posted there isn’t posted anywhere else), and most people I know mainly use Whatsapp as their IM platform.

Many businesses use Whatsapp for contact too these days.

I’m in Canada. My s/o once had an employer force their staff to use WhatsApp and it was horrible, lol. The notifications were constant and the whole getting work stuff while at home was annoying. But she never had that happen before or after that one employer.

I’ve never had an employer use WhatsApp, they communicate by text if I need to be reached when I’m not working (rare for me), or email/Teams if I’m at work.

Most of my friends are in signal, but I still use WhatsApp for those who aren’t, and for my family. Never really used WhatsApp to communicate with business. (UK)

UK here. Most people I work with will have Signal or Telegram. However my kids and the parents groups and schools all use WhatsApp.

None of them could get their friends to switch from WhatsApp. Nobody gives a shit at all about Meta and their dodgy data practices. Convenience is king. “aLL mY frIEnDs aRE oN WHatSaPp!”

Super-frustrating and makes me feel pretty helpless tbh.

Basically the same here. WhatsApp is basically “dial-a-boomer” on my phone.

Little sad that Signal dropped SMS support, but I get it.

Lost a bunch of contacts after ditching WhatsApp a few years back but eventually managed to get most of my valuable ones to use Signal.
Work-wise everyone uses WhatsApp, for example my team has a group chat that I am not a part of, so I lose some info on that side.
When traveling I also get a lot of prompts to use WhatsApp for example two hotels we stayed at this year did Concierge via WhatsApp.

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Filipino living in Singapore, married to a Japanese:

Philippines - Facebook Messenger (they love Facebook there) Singapore - WhatsApp (everyone uses it here, especially businesses, so it’s hard not to have it installed) Japan - Line (I think it’s because of the stickers and emojis?)

México. Everyone uses whatsapp. For personal communication or work. Businesses have their accounts you can order stuff through. Nobody uses SMS or pretty much any other chat app.

A lot of people use Facebook messenger for marketplace.

I hate 90% of meta, but I use WhatsApp and IG because everyone uses it.

German here. My last employer was visibly confused when I told him that I neither have a Whatsapp account nor a smartphone, and didn’t want either one. Apparently it was his preferred way of changing shifts last minute and he was pissed that I didn’t want to participate in that bullshit. So you want to send me a notification after effing midnight that I have to come in at 5 AM instead of 6 AM? Miss me with that shit.

Luckily I found a better job elsewhere (and they do NOT require any social media accounts - if they want to change something, they call me and ASK whether I am ok with it).

That’s crazy, my employer won’t even call my cell phone unless it’s a dire emergency, which pretty much never happens.
US here. Over only used Whatsapp a few times. Everyone I know is either via iMessage or telegram. Businesses mainly use Facebook messenger.
Yes, I don’t really use apps at all to communicate with people I know. The last time I used Whatsapp was when I was dating this girl who originally from Brazil. After we broke up I never had a need to use it.
Microsoft Teams is the official communication tool for business where I work, no need to use whatsapp tho a few colleagues use it for fluff, as for personal/family, some of my family use whatsapp but I don’t, if we want to talk to each other we use “good old-fashioned” phone calls :D
Canada here. Professional communication at work is done via email. Sending coworkers nasty memes throughout the day is done by iMessage/FB Messenger. Outside of work it’s all iMessage or SMS with the two people I know who don’t have iOS devices. I don’t know a single person that has ever used WhatsApp.
USA here. Only reason I have WhatsApp is to stay in touch with friends in Europe and South America. Not a single one of my American friends or relatives uses it.
Yep. USA is really just iMessage/SMS, with maybe Discord/GroupMe sometimes
My friend group uses google the same way apple users use imessage. The implementation has changed many times over the years (google chat, sms integration, hangouts chat, whatever), but it’s always basically been the same thing and it’s usable from any device. That’s my main complaint about signal and telegram: if I’m at home, forget using my stupid tiny phone, lemme do it from my PC that I’m probably on anyway.
You can get signal for Linux, windows, and macos
That’s good to know. I think when I tried it before, I ran into issues signing into multiple devices at once. Chances are, I just got the apps confused in memory though. Thanks!

We use whatsapp at work because a majority of people have iPhones, not an issue but group chats with Android users (half of the department I’m working for, myself included) cause issues with the actual texts.

From what I’ve looked into, simplified, Apple is at fault for not properly implementing cross-compatible version of imessage. (Iirc, it’s RTC but can’t quite remember all at the moment)

French here.

I chose to “force” my way out of WhatsApp and facebook messenger. All my friends and family used it, as well as some colleagues. I managed to move my family group chat to signal, and then chose to lose all the other group chats and see how it would work after a few months. In the end, the most important people to me moved with me. As for the other ones, it made planning for events and such a bit harder, but it didn’t prevent me from keeping in touch with anybody.

Dutchman. Whatsapp is not used for business in any instance I am aware off, nor should it be because of many compliance reasons. But private conversations/group chats are next to impossible without whatsapp.
As an American, the first half is in line with my experience. As far as group chats, we all use google for that.
Some companies definitely use WhatsApp unfortunately

My company used to use WhatsApp for official communication. Then it came out that Facebook was going to start collecting a whole crap ton of information from users, so I downloaded Signal and told my small group of coworkers that WhatsApp was not secure for official communication. They all downloaded it and eventually the whole company moved to it.

All it takes is a few people to switch over in a friend group or work setting and for them to advocate for its benefits to get large groups to move. Gotta keep pushing for it

I’m in the US. Never used Whatsapp in my life, and don’t know anyone that does. I just text people. It would be weird if someone tried to get me to use WhatsApp and tbh I’d probably just say no.
+1, in the US Whatsapp is the thing you download when you’re traveling abroad, and has no other presence at all