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BroBot9000These are the people that keep taking funding from education and put it towards more guns.
I can’t possibly lower my expectations any further.
tox_solidI’m not opposed to guns, but the idea of a less educated population having more of them doesn’t quite sit right with me.
Neh. The stupid people are getting way too many of them and will use tragedies to justify owning them.
How many more mass shootings need to happen before it’s finally too much? And a good guy with a gun is not the answer. The Uvalde police had guns but that didn’t change anything.
That’s irrelevant. If firearms were outlawed tomorrow it wouldn’t stop mass shootings.
A_Toasty_StrudelWhile it wouldn’t stop them entirely, saying it’s irrelevant is completely wrong. There’s enough data out there from countries not buried in gun violence to prove there would be a difference.
Sure, it might have made an impact in other countries, but there are over 300 million guns in the US. That’s almost 1 gun per living human in the country. In the event of a firearms ban those guns don’t just go away, they go underground. The black market for firearms in an America where guns are outlawed would be massive and easily accessible, so I think the mass shooting angle of this argument is actually pretty irrelevant.
mattiWhat makes America different from other nations that didn’t spring up a massive black market for guns
The 600 million+ guns (his number was a bit outdated) in 45%+ of the populations hands with no registry to know where/who/exactly how many, who do not want to give up what they’ve got by any means (for all different reasons depending on which demographic group of gun owners we are talking about specifically), and who already have a manufacturing culture in place in regards to firearms, and all the equipment to do so.
No other country had that. Pandora’s box has been opened. What’s more, there are countries with gun bans and a booming black market, they’re just “developing.” I think that is a bit dismissive, as we also have struggles controlling illicit importation that would lead to the same consequences even if we could shut down home production and zap every gun inside the US from existence, they’d come back, in short order. Stuff moves, the cartels have South Korean grenades and soviet AKs in addition to the guns they get from the ATF (operation fast and furious) or straw purchasers.