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lemmony Jul 22, 2023

STOP saying “fuck u/spez” START saying “FIRE STEVE HUFFMAN”

https://lemmy.world/post/1994304

STOP saying “fuck u/spez” START saying “FIRE STEVE HUFFMAN” - Lemmy.world

“fuck u/spez” means absolutely nothing to anyone who isn’t familiar with Reddit, it’s just noise. “FIRE STEVE HUFFMAN” is a clear, actionable statement that has a clear target and goal and actually has meaning to people who don’t know what Reddit is (like say, a potential shareholder or investor) Idk where to put this since r/savethirdpartyapps got banned so post this wherever will get noise if you agree

PenguinJuice Jul 22, 2023

Lmao you sweet summer child. You think firing him will do shit? The company has cancer. They are trying to to public. Nothing is going to fix whats wrong with the company now. It's terminal.

Also, firing spez does nothing because this wasn’t spez’s decision.

If you look at the history of Reddit’s API, it had a fee until spez became CEO again and made it free. This was when the 3PA took off.

Being the CEO does not mean that you get to actually make major decisions for the company. Think of the CEO as the face of the board of directors. They are the ones that approve/deny major changes.

You want the board changed, not spez.

PenguinJuice Jul 22, 2023

We need to just let reddit die as a sign to all over executives that their customers are the ones who hold the cards.

deweydecibel Jul 22, 2023

We weren’t the customers. We were the content creators. We gave the site value that was them sold to advertisers.

duffman Jul 23, 2023

That’s why I deleted all of my data before leaving. I’m not letting reddit keep my contributions to add to their value. I hope everyone here has done the same.

ipkpjersi Jul 22, 2023

We need to just let reddit die as a sign to all other executives that their customers are the ones who hold the cards.

The same thing could have been said about Digg. They are too stupid. Companies start out small, and have stars in their eyes instead of money bags, and talk about how they want to be different and want to do good for the world. Then once they grow beyond a certain size, they became the same evil shit as any other corporation. It happens time and time again, and it will continue happening.

someguy3 Jul 23, 2023

That’s when the venture capital shareholders kick in and want the money. That’s the cause.

prole Jul 22, 2023

Reddit’s customers do hold the cards. Users are the product, advertisers (and now, potential investors) are the actual customers.

deweydecibel Jul 22, 2023

Why do we want anything to change?

Why are we still sitting on this new platform talking about ways reddit can be saved?

MyNameIsIgglePiggle Jul 22, 2023

The cold never bothered me anyway.

rDrDr Jul 22, 2023

I really hope the fediverse is different. At the very least, that it can evolve in a way that we don’t have these jarring “migrations”. People can just move to a new platform that federates with the old one, and slowly/gradually move over to the better thing.

Ferris Jul 22, 2023

#nihilism?

ScrimbloBimblo Jul 22, 2023

I am so tired of this sentiment. You’re not wrong about the corporate stuff, but blaming people for wanting it to get better serves no purpose. For all its flaws, Reddit had something that no other site, not even this one, has been able to remotely replicate. I didn’t use the site for news, politics, memes, or mindless scrolling. I used it because it was literally the only place to discuss niche topics and interests.

Whether we like it or not, it’s the only place where a lot of these niche communities exist. Users that were here since Digg will find a new home, but the one who can barely use a Macbook may not. And I’m all for helping as many of those communities migrate, but the truth is that for many communities, especially the ones less technically inclined, the death of Reddit means the death of that community, and that’s really fucking sad.

Sunforged Jul 23, 2023

Niche community boards existed before Reddit, they will exist after Reddit.

ScrimbloBimblo Jul 23, 2023

Not in a way that’s accessible to casual audiences. You can watch literally any show, and chances are there’s a sub where you can go talk about it. That was not the case 10 years ago. Unless your show had a cult following, the only people to talk about it with were people you knew. I hope that someday we can turn this site into the same kind of thing, but we aint there yet.

Sunforged Jul 23, 2023

Yes it was a bit of work to find niche subjects in the old days but it was all out there if you really cared. Having communities too accessible to casuals is both a blessing and a curse. Constant conversation is a great time killer but the quality of those conversations really suffers.

It is really a fine line between the two and I think federated social media could actually pull it off. Reddit has been shit for a long time and the API fallout, even though it had no direct impact on the way I used Reddit, was just the last straw. No point trying to save a dieing animal, sometimes the most difficult decision is for the best.

ParikramaWasi Jul 23, 2023

Yes, but they will be dispersed over the internet, limiting their reach further.

Sunforged Jul 23, 2023

Blessing and a curse…

HughJanus Jul 23, 2023

blaming people for wanting it to get better serves no purpose

Yeah. No one is doing that. We’re blaming them for tolerating bullshit.

The users played every card they had and Reddit didn’t move a fucking millimeter. If they had come up with absolutely any sort of compromise, you could have a decent argument. But Reddit has made it very clear that the only changes that are coming are the continued enshittification.

If users actually stopped contributing to the site, they would have no choice but to roll back the changes and come up with another solution. But not even a small fraction of the site’s users slowed down for more than a couple of days.

ScrimbloBimblo Jul 23, 2023

I mean I agree with this part. That’s why I’m commenting on this site and not the other one, but that doesn’t mean we have to pretend the other one doesn’t exist and that we don’t care what’s going on there. I agree that everyone should move here, but nevertheless, most of them aren’t, and I cannot control that. The fact is that most people are not deep enough into the internet to make a pros and cons list of social media sites. They just use what other people use, or what pops up first on Google. We are neither of those things, and until we are, I have a vested interest in what happens at the other place.

Enigma Jul 23, 2023

Oh I was just informing people. A lot of people think that the CEO decides the direction of the company when that is rarely the case. I’ve been done with Reddit since June 11, I’m just here to watch it burn.

outdated_belated Jul 22, 2023

Worse/ bigger than just the board, even; with higher interest rates, investors are wanting more returns immediately, not just DAUs or some kind of proxy for future returns.

This is why all tech companies are becoming shittier and more expensive.

Paradox Jul 22, 2023

Reddit’s API never had a fee, it was always free. Reddit was built in an era where there wasn’t really much difference between an API and the HTML view you see, they both had the same backend code, with minor differences on the presentation layer.

Enigma Jul 23, 2023

This is false, look it up. The API had a fee until 2016.

Paradox Jul 23, 2023

I assure you it was false, as I worked there in 2010-2011, and built many bots and tools using said api thereafter. I never paid a cent, and none of the people using my bots did either

Bardfinn Jul 23, 2023

There are three main good faith issues with respect to the API changes.

1: Existing moderation tools were shut down (but later re-enabled)

2: existing third party apps with better moderation tools and better moderation experiences were cut off unless they paid a large amount of money.

3: Spez sneered at the moderators protesting.

The flipside to each of those is:

1: The API features that enabled the moderation tools also enabled stalking and abuse (like, kids viewing porn, as an example)

2: some of the third party apps were blocking Reddit’s advertisements and running their own adverts, while making Reddit bear the costs (fuskering Reddit)

3: some of the people who have been running subreddits are, uh, the kind of people who fondly remember when Reddit hosted racist groups , who are annoyed or angry that Reddit now has expectations that they not set up “roach motel” subreddits to corner unsuspecting visitors to exploit / hives of harassment & abuse, and who are no longer content to just “watch Reddit die” - the crab bucket phenomenon. They’re not sour over the changes - they were already beyond sour and they are using this as a pretext to harass others.

That is why Reddit was forced to close down the API, for the good of the community.

ChunkMcHorkle Jul 23, 2023

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Bardfinn Jul 23, 2023

I get accused of being a “Powermod” because I do a lot of grunt moderation work on a lot of large, active subreddits – and network with a lot of other moderators who are accused of being “powermods”. Most of what I do is “serious” about moderation, and I’m considered the “knurd” of the group.

The only way I can imagine that Apollo would be charged premium firehose api access is if Apollo was being a man-in-the-middle between Reddit’s servers and their user base — if Apollo was running a server, which server was authenticating as the users, and then the Apollo server was sending material back to the phone/tablet client app.

Which … should not be happening, for oh-so-many reasons.

For one, if Apollo is doing that to remove Reddit’s advertisements and/or insert their own advertisements … that would be shenanigans.

If Apollo is store-and-forwarding user data — are they complying with California user privacy & GDPR requirements?

etc etc etc

If I’m using a third party app to access Reddit, I do not expect that the API calls made by the app to go through the app publisher’s systems.

So I’m really not grokking how this state of affairs is a crisis for a third party app publisher, unless the third party app publisher architected their app in a completely upside down fashion, or is pulling some sort of MITM shenanigans, or the publisher completely misunderstands what the changes to the API will mean.

In short, “where’s the fettucine?”

ChunkMcHorkle Jul 23, 2023

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Bardfinn Jul 23, 2023

A technique that I picked up from @AlexandraErin on Twitter, is reminding people:

“Imagine that you have walked into a restaurant, and there are people seated around a table. You would like to join the conversation they’re having; Conduct yourself accordingly.”

It’s remarkably effective for distinguishing between Good Faith and Bad Faith behaviour, in the minds of users, and in the minds of moderators. “Would this be acceptable behaviour if I were joining a table of people at a restaurant?”.

You are clearly a harasser operating in bad faith.

ChunkMcHorkle Jul 24, 2023

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Move to lemm.ee Jul 23, 2023

You want the board changed, not spez.

Katelin Holloway - Former exec of vc capital firm Initialized.

Michael Seibel - Y Combinator partner

Patricia Fili-Krushel - previously the President of ABC TV Network, and an EVP at both NBCUniversal and Time Warner Inc.

Paula Price - Former board member of JP Morgan Chase bank

Porter Gale - CMO at Personal Capital

Robert A. Sauerberg Jr. - President and CEO at Conde Nast

Samuel Altman - president of Y Combinator and now the CEO of OpenAI.

Zubair Jandali - global head of App Developer Ad Sales (owned by google). Ddirector of US performance sales at AdMob.

2 techbro ghouls

5 financial elite bougie pricks

1 advertisement industry ghoul

duffman Jul 23, 2023

Overall you nailed it, but the terminology you used to summarize those roles is really cringe.

Move to lemm.ee Jul 23, 2023

How’s that boot taste?

duffman Jul 23, 2023

Is that what you say everytime you fail to comprehend a response? Tell me how that makes any sense.

Move to lemm.ee Jul 23, 2023

Nah mate it’s what I say to americans that see basic political terms as cringe because america has turned their entire system into a politically illiterate joke. You’d also probably get a bit of a culture shock if you realised that comrade is still in common use in labour parties all over europe too.

comrades

Streamable

duffman Jul 29, 2023

You didn’t say comrade, or bourgeois. You said techbro ghouls and elite bougie prick. Then proceeded to slander me as a bootlicker despite me agreeing with your point.

Move to lemm.ee Jul 29, 2023

Bougie is just shorthand for bourgeoisie you think I want to type that out every fucking time? Half the time I have to double take just to be sure I’m not spelling it wrong even after the 500,000th time writing it.