So - I saw @[email protected] has a

[QUOTE]My posts are licensed under Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike (
https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)[/QUOTE]

And it got me thinking: It would be cool if you could license your posts out under terms for-profit corporations wouldn't like (IE Viral copyleft licenses), and make them want to block / defederate your account, and not want to use your art or images in an AI model (such as because they would be legally required to publish their software sourcecode to the world under a CC-BY-SA license or AGPL) - and then if they wanted to do so, a class action lawsuit could make them regret it.

I dunno if CC-BY-SA or AGPL would get us there. But it would be cool.

Any Fedi-Copyright Attorneys have any suggestions on getting there?
Creative Commons — Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 International — CC BY-NC-SA 4.0

@Hawkwinter @aral

I am not an attorney, this is not legal advice.

It's a *very* slippery slope. Currently the entire fediverse works on a good-faith basis, where we don't worry about the copyrights of posts. Once that kind of mindset arrives here, it's going to lead to a lot of destruction.

For one: Federated servers continuously copy from each other, simply due to how the technology works. Servers have to cache posts from other servers locally, even though nobody gave them permission.

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@Hawkwinter @aral

It would be 𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘪𝘳𝘦𝘭𝘺 too easy for a slew of copyright trolls to come along, make an account on a tainted server (perhaps one of their own), create an account that easily can go viral with original copyrighted works, wait for the works to proliferate through the fediverse, and then sue any server that has copies of the work.

The only things that make this a little inconvenient are the different jurisdictions servers are in.

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@Hawkwinter @aral

Currently, we just don't have the numbers and the server operators are too poor to make this viable, but it's ripe for the picking.

What would be required to stave this off would be a unified TOS that most servers would incorporate that would allow that kind of sharing. And that, in turn, would require more skilled copyright attorneys to work it out. Perhaps the EFF might help in that regard.

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@Kathrin @aral

I see what you mean. A compatible ToS check baked into the federation handshake to determine if and how the servers communicat, and setting the terms at the server level rather than individual users.

I also see what you mean about it being something that would be hard to do without something like the EFF.

Fedi-Servers cachingWhy DO fediservers cache all the posts? Why not just save the sources, and then when the user goes to read the posts, load them from the original sources in the browser in Javascript?

@Hawkwinter @aral @Kathrin

> Why not just save the sources, and then when the user goes to read the posts, load them from the original sources in the browser in Javascript?

I think you would find this to be slow/unstable in practice. And if a post is boosted a lot, or as it hits the federation timeline on busy sites, the number of hits from viewers across the fediverse could probably take down a small instance. In that sense, this would probably raise the bar for hosting an instance.

@Hawkwinter @aral @Kathrin and a malicious site could federate a cool message, and serve an evil message directly to all the users later.

@kefir @aral @Kathrin

and a malicious site could federate a cool message, and serve an evil message directly to all the users later.Can't they already do this by editing a post after it's boosted a whole bunch, and it would just take a bit longer to get updated?

@Hawkwinter @aral @Kathrin I guess so, but it would still be noticed and potentially filtered or flagged on all other server when it is federated.