Chris Gioran 💔Jul 21, 2023

Mocking Google for their totally-not-an-attempt-to-DRM-the-Web is the right thing to do.

Open issues on the proposal repo and let them know what you think.

Politely.

But, don't be fooled. Even if they take this back, it doesn't change how they think. This is their intention. They just failed to slip it by this time.

The answer is to take power away from Google. Stop using their stuff. Build alternatives. It's not easy, but it's the only way.

And mock them. That's always fun.

Show threadAnachron Jul 21, 2023
@chrisg link?
Show threadChris Gioran 💔Jul 21, 2023

@Anachron https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity

and the followup

https://blog.yoav.ws/posts/web_platform_change_you_do_not_like/

GitHub - RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity

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Show threademmatonkin

@chrisg @Anachron
The follow-up is a bit annoying. Sometimes people will use legal language because there are legal problems with a proposal, in which case, yes, lawyers *should* be involved - and if one is planning on collecting a bunch of user data they should've been involved from the start anyway.

Re "we're all humans": yes, employees are people and "be nice" applies, but despite corporate personhood this does not apply to the companies they work for.

Jul 22, 2023 at 10:36amWeb
Show threademmatonkinJul 22, 2023
@chrisg @Anachron
Also yes, it is stressful to make likely-controversial suggestions in public. I'd gently suggest that stress is often a sign that we perceive we are in a harmful situation. There are probably good ways of limiting that stress. For example, one might start with user-focused activities and gather reqs and use cases at an early stage, rather than popping up with an existing plan and challenging dissenters to make their case and change your mind.