Dry Herb Vapes: Just getting started...

Figured with the last few threads inspiring me to try out a dry herb vape. And I realized I knew nothing about it. But reading the manual and getting it going was easy. And I just experimented a bit and with temps. And apparently I landed in a pretty good sweet spot....

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Figured with the last few threads inspiring me to try out a dry herb vape. And I realized I knew nothing about it. But reading the manual and getting it going was easy. And I just experimented a bit and with temps. And apparently I landed in a pretty good sweet spot....

Probably 15 years ago I was introduced to the concept of dry vaporizing but never tried it. Fast forward a year and picked up a crappy vapor-brothers china clone from the local smoke shop and it was terrible - hated it (years later I’d pull out the device again to discover it’s still garbage lol).

Then about a decade ago my friend showed me his Pax1 vaporizer and it blew me away - a portable handheld stealthy dry herbal device was a game changer. The rest was history - I started with a Davinci Ascent, started manufacturing aftermarket widgets for it and eventually founded Delta3DStudios where I get to tinker with all sorts of dry herbal vaporizers and dream up ways to make them better or make life easier while using them.

While making the transition from combustion to dry vaporizing can be hard for some (many heavy smokers claim that dry herbal vaporizing doesn’t “hit” the same - the reality is their bodies are accustomed to the affects from a toxic cocktail of carcinogenics and carbon monoxide), I was fortunately able to make an “easy” transition - my better half wouldn’t let me combust indoors but over one chilly winter they had pity and let me vaporize indoors. I quickly adapted to the vaporizer and it had a positive impact on my health which I hadn’t considered - first my sense of smell returned with a vengeance, I never knew my smell had been so affected by combusting, and next as a gym rat (at the time) I noticed an increase in endurance and lung capacity in the gym, my lungs felt lighter. This is purely anecdotal but it was amazing the difference between combusting and vaporizing.

By this point I’ve handled countless vaporizers and don’t even have an accurate count of how many devices (working, dead, broken, etc) I have in my library (for test fitting new widgets for the market lol).

Here’s some tips from one ent to another:

  • As you’ve learned, different temps extract different active compounds from the herb. Low temperatures work for sativa strains, while higher temps work better for indica and CBD strains. So you can vape a hybrid at low temps to extract the sativa side and high temps to extract both sides (or low temp for one sesh, then high temp for the next sesh).

  • Almost all devices perform differently - some are stealthier, some cook faster, some produce bigger clouds, some tastier vapor, or easier to clean, etc. There is never such a thing as a “perfect” device for every person in every situation. I use different devices depending on my mood, location, and if I’m hosting guests. Some of my favorite butane powered devices would never be shared with friends because they’re too easy to combust which tarnishes the flavor of subsequent sessions.

  • It’s not great to re-cook at the same temp, but you can totally have one sesh at a lower temp, then increase temp 20F+ degrees for each subsequent session

  • Don’t jump straight to max temp (especially with portables) - enjoy the road. Start at a low temp like 300F and work your way up 10-20F at a time every few minutes

  • Temperature sensors are almost ALWAYS monitoring the temperature of the heater, not the core of your herb. Ripping too hard/fast with many devices will suck heat out faster than the heater can recover temps. Depending on the device, try slowing your draw (I like to suggest a target draw speed of 15-20 seconds to slowly fill your lungs). Now of course high powered desktops may be a different story and you can rip them much harder, but I’m talking about general terms.

  • Many portables have weak under-powered heaters. This is partially due to the size constraints and power limitations of how much juice you can safely squeeze out of a single lithium power cell before risking something dangerous happening (like a cell shorting out). Add in all the insulation and heater sizes, and it can take a bit of time for a portable to fully reach optimal extraction temperatures. As such it’s especially important to start at a low temp like 300F for the first 1-2 minutes before increasing temp to desired temp level, this helps the device “preheat” and then adjust temp much faster when you start ripping at a higher temp

  • Depending on usage, many people build up a sort of “tolerance” to their regular device. Load sizes, temperature settings, draw patterns, etc all become habitual. By switching devices once or twice a year, you “reset” these tolerances. It doesn’t even have to be an upgrade to something “more powerful”. You can totally step down to a weaker under-powered budget device to help “reset” your body. I do it often to avoid myself from medicating too much/frequently. So don’t throw away old devices, cycle through them from time to time!

  • Vaporbonging is an entirely other fun way to enjoy vaporizers when pairing them with glass. However two things to consider: First is that you are really only conditioning the vapor with moisture, you do not need a ton of filtration. Massive percolators and multiple water chambers exponentially rob the vapor of flavor (by three chambers of water, the vapor is essentially TASTELESS which is good if you’re vaping some nasty hash or something). The next thing to know is that while cold glass and ice is good for smoking, it actually cause vapor particles to condensate into LARGER particles that cause more irritation to the throat. Thus when vaporbonging you want to use warm or hot water in the glass pipe instead of cold water and ice.

I could go on and on, I spend way too much time experimenting and studying these devices and this miracle plant. Feel free to ask away - I’m no longer contributing to reddit, so I’m happy to drop some knowledge here!

@delta3dstudios Hello, I saw you were quite the dry herb enthusiast hope you could help a newbie out with some questions

I have the airizer max BTW

1, how do I know when my bowl is done for? Should I try to squeeze every bit of smoke out of it or can I be satisfied when there’s very low quantities of smoke per pull at high temps?

  • What does ABV mean? I gather that its short for the used updecarbolized flower that vapes produce as a byproduct.

  • How do I best clean the brown reclaim flouid that builds in the glass? I heard simmering the pieces in milk work good but I’m not a milk drinker. Can I throw the pieces in butter with my flower when I make cannabutter?

  • Do you think its worth buying the longest stem for the airizer max? The stem it comes with is okay but I saw the solo 2 stem is longer and comptable.

  • I saw you make custom accessories on your site, anything for airizer specific? Can I order stuff for my vape? I would really like a base to hold it firmly up and a skin if possible.

  • Howdy!

    Lol for sure you could say I’ve made a living studying these devices and how to make life easier with them.

    I have the airizer max BTW

    Awesome portable, especially for flavor chasers like myself :-)

    1, how do I know when my bowl is done for? Should I try to squeeze every bit of smoke out of it or can I be satisfied when there’s very low quantities of smoke per pull at high temps?

    This is a topic that comes up often! Don’t be embarrassed to asked, especially on a new platform like this one. Few things to consider

    • As mentioned previously, different temps release different medical benefits. Not all of us vaporize to max temp. Depending on time of day, I may prefer a low temp session, and stop vaping at a max temp of 385F. Other times in the evening I may want to max out at 425F or hotter. Don’t be afraid to temp step up to a certain point and then call it quits when you feel you’ve reached your desired “butter zone” for extraction.

    • The color of your cooked herb is a representation of the chlorophyll content in the herb. The specific shade of brown will vary depending on device and temperature used. So taking a photo and posting it to the group asking “iS iT fUlLy CoOkEd” is useless. Instead the key thing to know is that 100% complete extraction (at one set temperature!) results in 100% uniform color across every flake of herb in the oven. Now of course you could obtain 100% extraction at 325F… and everything is the same shade of brown… then cook the herb again later at 400F and cook out everything between 325F and 400F (which may be a lot or a little depending on the strain you’re cooking)

    • Not everyone obtains a 100% complete extraction - some people toss it when the flavor tapers over to burnt popcorn, or when the vapor production peters out. The choice is really up to you personally and your desired effects

    What does ABV mean? I gather that its short for the used updecarbolized flower that vapes produce as a byproduct

    Yep “ABV” stands for “already been vaped” or others call it “AVB” - already vaped bud - either term is acceptable for cooked/vaporized herb which hasn’t been burnt to ash.

    How do I best clean the brown reclaim flouid that builds in the glass? I heard simmering the pieces in milk work good but I’m not a milk drinker. Can I throw the pieces in butter with my flower when I make cannabutter?

    There are indeed many different ways to clean the “vape honey” out of the glass stems.

    Some people indeed make a chocolate milk simmering in a pot of milk and then throw in chocolate chips. Others like myself wash the pieces in a high % ISO alcohol to clean them (and grinders with ISO and a fresh toothbrush) - then pour the green/brownish mixture into a clean glass pie plate (or deep glass plate) and then let evaporate in sunlight (or I put mine on a 5.1 surround sound system which evaporated faster thanks to the added heat from the stereo system lol) - then use a fresh clean razor blade to scrape up the “film” left behind on the pie plate - this stuff can be dabbed or added to your dry herb to “turbocharge” a vaping session. Be sure to let it fully dry out before scraping up however! Otherwise the taste isn’t the best lol.

    I suppose you could absolutely use butter for the same purpose - the vape honey will melt with the heat and bind to the fats in the butter. Just keep things at a low temp to avoid burning the butter, and to avoid overheating the honey (the lower the temps you use, the less you burn off and the more “full spectrum” your honey effects remain.

    Do you think its worth buying the longest stem for the airizer max? The stem it comes with is okay but I saw the solo 2 stem is longer and comptable.

    The Arizer Air Max uses the same size stems as the Air1, Air2, Solo1, and Solo2 (NOT the ArGo) - this means there is over a decade’s worth of stems and aftermarket stems on the market compatible with your device. I even have a cheap chinese “bubbler straw” stem which is a 10-inch long mini vertical inline bubbler stem for my Air1/Air2 (and no doubt Air Max, but I don’t have a max in my personal collection yet)

    Absolutely different stems will alter your experience - don’t forget to consider a waterpipe adapter stem. EdsTNT used to make wood stems (with steel metal ovens) which would be yet another vaping experience. One day in the future I may consider making my own stems for the Arizer portables (using my industrial stainless steel metal 3D printers)

    I saw you make custom accessories on your site, anything for airizer specific? Can I order stuff for my vape? I would really like a base to hold it firmly up and a skin if possible.

    I’ve made some stem cases and funnels in the past for the Arizer stems which are available on my website ( Delta3DStudios.com ) - I’ve tried to organize every category by device and what I confirm is compatible. But I’ve tried to focus more on generic accessories like scoops and debowlers (both mason jar desktop options, and portable air-tight containers), universal waterpipe adapters, etc to work with a wider variety of devices. That said, I do have an Arizer Air1 in my desk (and an Air2 floating around somewhere) I could totally try and make some custom accessories for the Air Max - especially if you have a ruler or calipers to help measure key dimensions to confirm they match my existing devices which I could use for test-fitting.

    Right now is actually my slower season so I have time to work on side projects. Shoot me a private message and we can always talk about custom widgets if you don’t see something specific on the website.