aCosmicWaveI wonder where police cars get their gasoline from?
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It depends on where you live, but a lot of large US cities have their own fueling stations. That way, the city can buy fuel by the tanker load and avoid gas taxes.
Not likely to avoid tax, more to get discount rate on bulk purchase.
It’s both. Tax exempt paperwork is annoying, and one of the best ways to minimize it is to minimize the number of purchases that you make. Buy in bulk when you can, because one large purchase is less likely to have an error (or at least, more likely to be noticed) than a hundred small purchases.
DonebrachIf its government going through a vendor they are likely paying more than market rate.
For a like-for-like product or a different service entirely?
“Like-for-like.” I work in state government. Time ago we needed to get some video equipment so had to contract with a vendor to acquire it. They literally just bought it from B&H and sold it back to us.
RivalarrivalMore than market rate for a tanker load. They’ll pay more for gas than the local gas station will, but still less than the gas station charges.
City of 30k here, and we have one.
linearchaosLoads of pros
Tax is not insignificant, but they could already write that off.
No middle man for what little profit comes from a gas station
They can buy cheaper in bulk
They’re not impacted by shortages and outages they control their own supply
They’re not impacted by quality issues if a gas station gets water in one of their tanks.
They don’t have to track individual purchases for every tankful
No lines
Officers not vulnerable while fueling when they can do it in private
In many places they keep fueling gear in the garage where they park the cars and just refuel that tank with a truck from their own supply.
In my rural county the cops, school busses and basically all the public service vehicles like ambulances and plows fill up at the farmer’s coop, where farmers get cheap gas for their tractors. I have heard that this is not technically legal, because that has is specifically for tractors and has some kind of special price because of that, but I don’t know if that’s true or not. I know you’re not allowed to fill up your regular car there, but some of the farmer’s and cops do.
I think this is usually specifically for diesel fuel. Certain places have diesel fuel with red dye in it that is tax exempt. Any fuel you buy from a standard gas station has a good amount of tax baked into the price and it’s earmarked to go towards road and infrastructure repair. The thought process is, if you’re not using said vehicle on the road, you shouldn’t have to pay this tax.
So, they dye it red, sell it only at special places, and you get fined pretty heavily if you’re found using it in street vehicles. Typically it’s truckers that do it because most American cars (including cop cars) are not diesel. And I’ve never heard of this setup for regular gas.
I’ve lived all over, moved a lot, and have never seen a set up like here before, either. But, I’ve also not paid super close attention to farmer’s co-ops before moving here and getting chickens and ducks and doing small scale farming/big ass gardening. Lol. I assume they also sell diesel like you’re talking about. Maybe they just got a deal with the county and I’m/other people here are confusing that for the red diesel thing?
Still pay taxes even by the tanker. Can still get a lower price but fuel taxes are fuel taxes doesn’t really matter how you buy it.
Surely a public entity would be exempt from taxes, no?
Maybe. But in that case they would be exempt at a normal pump as well. Gas station by my house accept tax exempt transactions for the cemetery my family maintains.
The city may have a maintenance depot where city-owned vehicles fuel up.
Same goes for (e.g.) school buses, snowplow trucks, and so on.
I worked at a small school that had diesel for the buses but vans had to be fueled at a gas station with a school credit card. Police departments in any major (American) city will definitely have several fueling stations for cop cars.
This. I worked in municipal government years ago. And there were a few different depots for the county vehicles, including police, to gas up.
In Australia they use regular servos to fill up. Seen them plenty of times.
Cities typically have their own private gas station for fueling city owned vehicles.
I work in a petrol station and I’ve had police and ambulance crews come in for fuel, a bus even pulled in with passengers still on board last Saturday. Never seen a fire engine pull in though but I’d guess they have tanks in the firehouse.
They use the City Municipal stations. I’ve seen plenty of them.
I see the cops in my city, and a few nearby, at the gas station all the time. They all have gas cards. Some of the larger cities near me have pumps at a few of the city properties that the city employees can use to fill up city vehicles.
I see it often as well
iAmTheTotI've seen cops, ambulances, and even firetrucks at gas stations.
EcksellI’ve always seen cops filling up at gas stations. The Sheriff’s Patrol likes to pull in 3 deep to get gas and coffee. What are you on about?
talLarge cities might have dedicated fueling stations, but I doubt that smaller places do.
mysoulishomeThis is so cute cause it is meant to be a shower thought but actually belongs in nostupidquestions
The city has a private fuel station (or if it’s a large city, they may even have multiple fuel stations,) which they use for their entire fleet of cars. Not just police, but also all the random Parks pickup trucks, Traffic trucks, forklifts, generators, etc…
Even a mid-sized city will have hundreds of vehicles, so it’s easier for them to simply deal with the fuel providers directly. Instead of having to deal with tax-exempt paperwork every time a car needs fuel, they simply buy the fuel in bulk and refuel at the private fuel depots.
When I go to fuel a city car, it has a fob that gets scanned at the pump. This tells it which car I’m filling. Then I have to input the mileage, so it knows how far the car has driven since the last fill. Then I have to scan my city ID, so it knows who is filling the pump. Then finally, it will calculate the amount of fuel needed to fill up and stop pumping automatically once it reaches that; The same way you can put $20 on a pump and it’ll stop, the pump goes “this car gets 32MPG and has driven [x] miles, so it needs [x/32] gallons of gas.”
This is mostly to prevent fuel theft, because I can’t simply fob into the pump then keep the pump active after the car is full. Like I can’t fill the car then also fill up a gas can, because the pump has already turned itself off once the car is full.
Really what you do is fill up the gas can first, and hope the next guy using the car deals with the consequences.
If you're serious, I would assume that it's not that hard to red-flag cases where fuel mileage consistently drops after you have used the vehicle, as well as before.
Fascinating. This is way more buttoned up and controlled than I thought it would be.
They maintain their own fueling depots around their jurisdiction. One of ours is down the block from a Walmart, on the back side rode without much other development.
They do this to get cost savings on the fuel, maintain a segregated supply for themselves in emergency, and to avoid being near us plebs in a vulnerable (unfueled) state.
MelllvarIn my city there’s a gas station for them on the grounds of the jail.
jsheradinThere's a station I use regularly that has to have some sort of commercial plan. I regularly see cop cars, UPS trucks, and one time a yellow cab filling up there.
DreamButtBack when I worked IT for the city we actually got a tour of the main police station. There was a gas pump on sight where officers could make sure their car was full before and after patrols
In my town they fill up at co-op Cardlock, same as the truckers but gasoline instead of diesel
Where I live (Germany) they usually have cards with which they can pay at most big gas stations. Kind of like a pin protected voucher card. They usually have a maximum limit though.
So when we operate a mobile gas station in catastrophic events like big wildfires etc. We usually have to get a limitless card, because otherwise we need a new card 3-4 times a day because we refill our 450 liter tank so often.
Most fire stations and probably police stations too have an emergency depot though. As does the city. Sometimes the city depot is shared with the depot of the public transport company though.
They have fleet fueling stations where we’re at. Car dealerships use them as well as cops and anyone else that needs it.