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mstdn.ca is heavily censoring posts critical of Israel, be aware

https://lemmy.world/post/1798969

mstdn.ca is heavily censoring posts critical of Israel, be aware - Lemmy.world

I don’t think this post is anti semitic or promoting a hateful ideology, it is me expressing a known fact that Israel and its lobby groups heavily lobbying the US. Simple as that. My account was just suspended, I highly recommend anyone who has this viewpoint to simply not express it here. The fediverse and Mastodon and climate are all a sham. Really disappointed to be honest. I was hoping I could post my opinion and not have the left wing brigade show up to censor me.

HousePanther Jul 19, 2023

So I take it you are unable to now move your followers to a different account because they suspended you? Yeah, that’s not cool. I am Jewish and I say “Fuck Israel!” So saying fuck Israel is not antisemitic. I find it shameful that after centuries of mistreatment and persecution, Jews aren’t recognizing Palestinian rights to a country of their own. I am a Jew who believes in the Palestinian right to statehood.

s0berage Jul 19, 2023

I appreciate you broski. Glad it’s not just me. Being critical of Israel isn’t anti semitic. I’m tired of the censorship.

HousePanther Jul 19, 2023

The IDF does terrible things to the Palestinian people. What a lot of other people don’t really understand about the whole dynamic is that the Palestinian people are also used as pawns by the rest of Arab world. Palestinians are often treated as second class citizens amongst their own brethren. How do I know this? I have Palestinian friends who tell me as much. This is why Palestinians need their own country and it’s purely evilly fascist to deny them of that right.

HousePanther Jul 19, 2023

Also OP, you might want to look into running your own Mastodon instance. It’s going to present a challenge if you don’t have a technical background but you learn a whole lot. The only real way to beat censorship is by being your own service provider. I have some very strong opinions (none that are hate-based but can be controversial) so I don’t want to be at the mercy of some random sysadmins inability to see things objectively.

s0berage Jul 19, 2023

I’m done with social media after this. I’m going to read the newspaper and use telegram with my friends who aren’t thin-skinned pussies like some of the Zionist goofs on this thread and mastodon.

Candelestine Jul 19, 2023

lol You’ll never be done with social media.

s0berage Jul 19, 2023

sniff… I know.

HousePanther Jul 19, 2023

But perhaps we can empower you to learn to DIY. 😁

s0berage Jul 19, 2023

I’m too lazy to make my own mastodon or Lemmy server. I’ll make my own irc server if anything, that I know very well. Inspircd or equivalent is fine. IRCv3 isn’t mature yet to deploy.

HousePanther Jul 19, 2023

Well, when you’re ready to dive in you just let me know. It’s not going to take a lot of time or money and it is rewarding.

s0berage Jul 19, 2023

For mastodon or Lemmy?

HousePanther Jul 19, 2023

Lemmy is more challenging to get going. Mastodon would be a better start for you. While Lemmy has been around for 4 years, it still lacks a lot of the polish that Mastodon has.

s0berage Jul 19, 2023

The whole platform is just Twitter, which I hated and I hated how it’s crossed over with Lemmy. It’s as annoying as the pylink bots on multiple servers for the same channel on IRC. I just don’t get the constant joining and merging. It’s a ploy for the data mining psyop bullshit.

HousePanther Jul 19, 2023

The newspaper is often not a great place to get news either because it generally takes the side of the wealthy. Newspapers are, afterall, the propaganda arm of the wealthy. You’ll find more objective reporting through smaller outfits that do not have to answer to a wealthy advertiser base.

s0berage Jul 19, 2023

Well said

sbv Jul 19, 2023

Someone is paying the USAs debt, and we all know who it is.

I think you found your reason.

s0berage Jul 19, 2023

I take it you’re Jewish? Only Jews get this offended over a statement. Why do you think it’s anti semitic? Israel is an enormous trading and political ally for the USA.

Cylusthevirus Jul 19, 2023

Let's see, Pepe avatar, immediately asks if someone's Jewish, HMMMMMMMM.

GrimSheeper Jul 19, 2023

The idea that Israeli lobbyists are singlehandedly “paying off the US’ debt” is so patently absurd that I can easily see someone interpreting it as antiemetic. Criticizing pro-Israel lobbyists is one thing, but when you start implying that Israeli lobbyists literally control the US government, I think you’re stepping into clearly anti-semetic territory.

That alongside the wink-wink nudge-nudge “we all know who it is” comment really pushes this post over the edge. You’re clearly parroting anti-semetic tropes, intentional or not.

s0berage Jul 19, 2023

Not single-handedly, but they are enormous trading partners and lobby the US in the billions, that’s not far-fetched. B’nai Birth is a perfect example.

GrimSheeper Jul 19, 2023

Well, that nuance is not present in your original post. Criticism of Israel and Israeli lobbying groups is perfectly fine, so long as you’re specific in your criticisms and you avoid hyperbole and generalizations.

Your original phrasing is ambiguous and hyperbolic in a way that you could easily be referring to EITHER specific issues with certain Israeli lobbyist groups OR broad conspiracies about Jewish control of the US government. This same ambiguity is regularly used by anti-semites to disguise anti-semetic rhetoric as good faith criticism of the Israeli government.

You may have had the best of intentions, but this post reads like Nazi concern-trolling, and I’m not surprised that it got censored.

s0berage Jul 19, 2023

Ugh. On irc I was NEVER banned and could speak freely. Fediverse is an imposter of a platform.

johndroid Jul 19, 2023

but this post reads like Nazi concern-trolling

The groyper pfp may not be helping either.

GrimSheeper Jul 19, 2023

Oh yeah, I was gonna mention that, but I knew he’d just whine about people judging him for his profile pic instead of his words or something like that.

CookieJarObserver Jul 19, 2023

Its pretty obvious that they see that as nazi propaganda…

Jews have money and bribe politicians was one of their points…

Also Israel is based. A country where i can have a religion of my choice and can be gay without being killed… Get a life.

s0berage Jul 19, 2023

Spare me your political views, it wasn’t promoting any anti gay or anti religion, that’s my point to this post. Mstdn.ca cannot moderate impartially. Full stop. I don’t care about your views on Israel and how free it is, I live in the 5th most free country, well above Israel with a VERY large population of Jews that can discuss Zionism with behaving like a toddler throwing a tantrum.

CookieJarObserver Jul 20, 2023

How was your shitty post arguing about Zionism and not just saying “Jews manipulate our politicians”? Cause the later is what everyone else read.

Andrzej Jul 19, 2023

So I'm going to be very charitable here and say that the main problem is that your analysis is eye-wateringly dumb, which has made you accidentally invoke an antisemitic trope.

The state is Israel is awful in so many ways, and there are lots of contentious things you can day about it — it's an ethno-state operating a defacto apartheid system, for example — without resorting to facile shit about Jewish money lenders

s0berage Jul 19, 2023

Analysis of what, be specific. Money lenders? No, defence contracts that US and Israel both want to go off without a hitch and both economic countries rely on. FACT. Not facile shit. Grow up and stop asking so pretentious.

ansik Jul 19, 2023

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