US Senate Democrats pursue Supreme Court ethics legislation

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US Senate Democrats pursue Supreme Court ethics legislation - lemm.ee

Senate Democrats are pursuing legislation this week that would set a binding ethics code for the U.S. Supreme Court following revelations that some conservative justices have failed to disclose luxury trips and real estate transactions - a measure facing an uphill battle thanks to Republican opposition.

So, I guess my question is, will this have any teeth? Suppose Clarence just says “fuck it” and fails to recuse himself when he should? What then? Does this law permit for real consequences, or is it just going to be an extra stern finger wagging?

Beyond that, what’s to say the court doesn’t just declare it unconstitutional.

We’re well past them pretending they don’t legislate from the bench, they’re just striking down or upholding laws that they like at this point.

Clarence exhales profoundly letting out hooray as the 6000$ bourbon spills out his lower lip in small drops “Haha I’m in for life 😂😂😂”
The courts have no way to enforce their rulings directly. Nothing is stopping Biden from ignoring them except for norms and the the real shitstorm it would cause.

I don’t know about shit storm. Student loan forgiveness was clearly within the presidential powers in the HEROES Act of 2003. Loan forgiveness is also overwhelmingly popular with the voters on both sides of the aisle. Since the SC has no teeth to enforce rulings, Biden could just wait until a month after reelection and do it anyway, with near-zero consequences. Nobody is coming for him for making them not owe $10,000, especially since the plaintiffs in the SC case were unwilling, unwitting, and could not prove any harm.

I say that under the assumption Biden wouldn’t lose to another candidate, and the Democrats retain at least one of the Congressional Chambers. In this fucky timeline, who knows what the USA will look like in 2 years

The shit storm would be over ignoring the supreme court, not loan forgiveness.
It’s the Democrats. Finger wagging is all they’ve got.

Technically, if it does end up getting passed, it will theoretically have teeth. But then the Tribunal of Six will probably just say “it’s unconstitutional to hold us accountable”.

At that point, someone’s bound to infer something creative from the statement “supreme court justices are appointed for life” sooner or later.

That’s the best question. Clarence Thomas shouldn’t have been able to openly flaunt his corruption for decades, but he has. Is this just going to be more firm hand-wringing by the Dems with no enforcement mechanism whatsoever?

It doesn’t necessarily need to have teeth since the court has no enforcement mechanism when declaring something unconstitutional. Instead of putting teeth into the law itself, one could argue that if justices were found to be “unethical” it reduces the likelihood that that judges decision is unbiased and opens the door to govt just ignorimg the cases in which an unethical judge tips the scale on which side makes up the majority of the court…

Still doubt any of that happens though because Dems are the govt now

The Dems are unlikely to straight up just ignore SCOTUS rulings. With all that’s happened in the last 6 years, I believe the Republicans absolutely would ignore a SCOTUS ruling, and they would be FAR more likely to just ignore SCOTUS altogether if the Dems ignored the SCOTUS student loan forgiveness ruling. What is more likely, would be the Dems/Biden reduce payments to some minimal amount like $1/mo and place all student loans at a negative interest rate, since the powers to set payment amounts and interest rates were confirmed by the SCOTUS ruling.

The end result would be something like ‘If you’ve paid the principal balance, you’re done. If your loans have lasted 10+ years, you’re done. If you cannot afford to pay, pay us the $1/mo and eventually your balance will get to $0 with that negative interest rate.’

Guys who administer constituinal law having hard time complying with the basic bar rules...

Where they barred anyway? Asking for a friend

If the US was another country they’d call it a 3rd world mess, invade it for the oil in Alaska and bring democratic laws to it. And probably kill 100k civilians on the way.

Be real for a sec…

100k is way too low of a number.

The rest of the 5mil were combatants because male and over 8 years old.
Just throwing another hissy fit like the children they are.
Swamp, anyone?
Ouff, seems like that word is tainted now (I assume you were using it to describe the courts corruption and not some perceived corruption on the part of Dems)
Seriously, the point of having 3 supposedly co-equal branches is so each has oversight. You can’t let this dereliction of duty go unchallenged or we have to scrap the whole thing.
I mean…. We have to scrap the whole thing. We all know it. Let’s stop dancing around it and start figuring out what the next thing is.
I’ve been saying this for a long while. We need a new constitution at this point, and that is OK. The founders knew this, and also took time to point out that it will be ugly, just like it was for them. The shit show we have now is enough to make me lean into antinatalism, which is a stance I never could have imagined as a younger person.

Reminds me of this quote I came across the other day about Marbury v Madison

Thomas Jefferson to Abigail Smith Adams, September 11, 1804, “but the opinion which gives to the judges the right to decide what laws are constitutional, and what not, not only for themselves in their own sphere of action, but for the legislature & executive also in their spheres, would make the judiciary a despotic branch.”

God we are so fucking far past the point where this will matter. We need to give up the idea that we can still patch our broken governmental system with things that rely on people coming together and agreeing that some things are just bad. The right will defend anything if defending it can give them more power. This legislation would probably be used to kick a democratic judge off for “ethics violations” like giving food to the homeless somewhere that it’s been made illegal before it was used to target republican judges guilty of rape, lying under oath, and bribery.
“Sorry, we heard Judge ______ handed a bottle of water to someone in a GA election line, gotta go!”
Hah. Clearly this should happen, but I hope the irony of self-enriching congress lecturing others about ethics isn’t lost on anyone.
The Senate is a different body than Congress

Not…really. It’s the supposed to be the more ethical, upstanding half of Congress, with the popular House of Representatives constituting the deplorable half.

So, regardless of which side of Congress is referring to, or both sides, it doesn’t matter: their self-enrichment undermines their stance on ethics. It’s not like Manchin, a Senator, also hasn’t benefited from the largesse of billionaires.

Again, I understand your point, but Congress is literally not the Senate…
What do you think Congress is?
The governing body made up by congressmen as opposed to senators
Well you are not correct. Congress is the legislative branch, made up of the House of Representatives (referred to as representatives or congressmen like you said) and the Senate (referred to as senators).
You are technically correct. The best kind of correct.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress

Congress is the Senate and the House of Representatives. Two chambers.

United States Congress - Wikipedia

wouldn’t that require quite a bit of bipartisan support?
It would. And realistically you’d never expect todays ‘Pubs to be pro honesty or ethics so the chances of legislation to that effect passing is quiet low.
probably as likely as a snowball’s chance in Hell.
Well, if long COVID eventually manages to drag Senator Inhofe into hell, you can be assured he’ll bring a snowball with him.
Dissolve the court. Arrest Thomas, Gorsuch, Alito and Kavanaugh. Investigate everyone else, and if they took so much as a stick of gum from someone who had business before the court arrest them too. Symbolic bills dying in committee will not stop the court from being the bought & paid for dictator that we thought they were trying to put in the white house.
I complete agree with you, but dissolving the court would probably lead to a full-on civil war
they threaten civil war every time the waiter forgets their ranch dressing. it’s time to stop letting that empty threat stop us from being a free and democratic country.
The supreme Court also needs to be expanded and repaired by packing in liberal judges until the makeup of the court reflects the values of the majority of the country.
so what happens when republicans take back the Senate and the presidency and then add like 10 conservative justices to balance out the liberal ones
Not going to stop until we’re all supreme court judges
i am going to declare the Dog and Cat Meat Trade Prohibition Act of 2018 to be unconstitutional
Then we return to the situation we are in right now. But the supreme court will not be whatever it is right now at least for a while

Term limits are a great way to mitigate effects of judges. While an opposing party may control it for a time, it will end. Expansion does nothing to solve this, but may temporarily appear to. Until again, an opposing party elects judges to fill those seats you just added.

There should be term & age limits on all our representatives.

And when Republicans have control they pack it in their favor?
They already doing it. They were doing it for years already. They will not stop doing it until there will be some ethical oversight that can actually do something