System76 or Framework laptop?
Look, we know System76 laptops are based as fuck. I mean, Coreboot, Open source firmware, PopOS, and a fucking open source mobo in the works, just so fucking based. But man, these framework laptops look cool too. Completely modular and easy to work on. Looks like the company has proved it isn’t going to go under anytime soon. I’m debating what to get once I feel like upgrading from the trusty ol ThinkPad. What would you buy?
not that it helps, but i think i heard framework is keen for 3rd party components? so there’s nothing stopping someone selling a 3rd party high res display for a framework laptop
hell i’ve seen people tear up old laptops and repurpose the screen: i wonder if you could part out an old macbook and replace a framework screen! :p
The Framework is 2256x1504 in a 3:2 13.5" display and Macbook Pro 13" is 2560 x 1600 16:10. The Mac wins as they should with Apple’s massive vertical integration and profit margins but I would argue those numbers are comparable when a lot of laptops are still shipping with 1920x1080 16:9 displays.
The Framework 16" is going to be a 165Hz 2560x1600 16:10 which is well behind the Macbook Pro 16" but they are addressing very different markets. Many Linux and possibly still some Windows users are skeptical about the battery use, performance and os/app scaling of very high res displays while Apple addressed those issues a long time ago. I considered scaling a negative over using native resolution when looking at the Framework 13. It turned out not to be a problem.
I have a framework 12th gen. It’s great. Fantastic build quality and when I want to upgrade, I don’t need a whole new laptop, just the necessary internal components. I can even switch to AMD!
Coreboot is cool, and I can’t wait to see the new system76 laptop that is being built in-house, but until that comes out, I don’t think I would ever consider the current lineup of system76 computers.
My main motivations are repairability, upgradability, and specificity of components, and system76 just doesn’t offer that. They don’t tell you what ram or SSD models go into your laptop, they don’t sell replacement parts, and there is no upgrade path.
Virgo by System 76 is already designed for board-level repairs. All the schematics is already available, and will be found on their website when ready for production:
Actually Soller said, that they will release everything needed to start your own production line. Has Framework released the schematics yet?
I didn’t know that. Perhaps I need to research a little more before commenting.
Thanks!
Yeah there are schematics from framework, I don't think they are full though.
Here is a video of Rossman talking about it https://youtu.be/8cJj8PUY0DU
I got a System76 laptop in 2018, and it was a huge disappointment. Had to return it after a couple days because it stopped working, and they wanted my credit card info again before they’d ship me a replacement. The screen is awful and has a purple tint to it, and not all the features worked on Linux for the first year I had it.
If I wanted that level of frustration, a Windows laptop with similar specs would have been half the price.
This is what I originally wrote:
However with Framework you still need to be careful in Europe. It’s an US based company and if you have a defect or problem that Framework for some reason doesn’t resolve, good luck trying to enforce your EU customer protection or suing them in the US.
Framework is also very strict regarding unsupported countries. If you move within the EU to a country that isn’t supported by Framework, you’ll have big problems with support in case you need help or parts or whatever.
About support: I have a Framework laptop. With my initial shipment I received a defective Ethernet expansion port. The failure was difficult to identify, but support was incredibly responsive and helpful. Once it was confirmed the issue was due to a defective Ethernet card (which took some investigative effort), a replacement was shipped immediately.
All this to say that, if you live in a supported country in the EU, I see no reason that people may find their support lacking.
I’m not saying that support is lacking, all I’m saying is that you have to have complete trust in a company on the other side of the globe, because all the warranties and promises they give you are completely based on their good will. If they decide to stop supporting you for whatever reason, you pretty much have no leverage.
I live in Germany near the Netherlands border. Moving between countries is very common here because of different living costs and job opportunities and losing support because you move a few km west or east is not acceptable in my opinion.
I will never choose system76, they are strictly murica-centric (until the name lol) and don't respect their potential customers from the rest of the world. Almost all of their laptops are simply clevo with another logo, but even then they don't deign to offer something as extremely basic as keyboards in other languages, even if they are available from their vendor.
Also, in the stores that preset linux there is usually a bad quality-price ratio, but system76 is particularly expert in this. Special mention to the mediocre mechanical keyboard (only for murica, obviously) they designed, 200-300$.
The only good thing I can currently say about them is that they have some open firmware (coreboot, basically), but it's not even that remarkable. Not only are there several companies in the competition that also do it, but it's even the case of tiny ones with a couple of employees like novacustom.
From wikipedia:
The number 76 in the company name is a reference to 1776, the year the American Revolution took place. Richell explained that the company hoped to spark an “open source revolution”, giving consumers a choice to not use proprietary software.
Gonna be honest: as an amareican, with the political situation around here right now, it does make me feel less comfortable with them as a company knowing that
Although I preordered the framework 16", so I’m not exactly in the market for a new Laptop rn anyway
They registered the domain in 2003 and started selling in 2005. I don’t think it is fair to apply current right wing rhetoric to a name selected 20 years ago when it was more neutral (as were flags).
If they start marketing Proud Boy Linux I might reconsider that stance.
Different groups. The Freemasons, which is a real group, but not as occult as pop culture would have you believe, had more to do with the founding of the US. Freemasons also had connections with the French Revolution.
The Puritans are the group you’re describing.
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