YoBuckStopsHereIn-N-Out bans employees from wearing masks
Fun Fact: Roughly half of all cases of food poisoning in the US are due to sick employees not wearing masks.
Sick Workers Connected to 41 Percent of Food Poisoning Outbreaks, CDC Reports
IzzgoThat's an interesting and even likely sounding statistic. I wonder if you have a source?
I did a search on this cool new tool called google and found this from Smithsonian Magazine:
The study examined 800 foodborne illness outbreaks reported by 25 state and local health departments between 2017 and 2019. Of the roughly 500 outbreaks linked to at least one known contributing factor, 205 of them, or 41 percent, involved ill workers.Jun 2, 2023
I read that as A.I. gore. Like a poorly designed artificial intellifence.
I,for one, support this claim regardless of it’s veracity! :)
What do you base that off of? Most food poisoning is due to bad storage of food resulting in bacterial toxins even after it's cooked. Only Norovirus has an oral route that I can think of (and that's usually based around projectile vomiting that then ends up on hands), and most folks have never actually caught norovirus because they'd remember it.
I believe it could be this: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/ss/ss7206a1.htm
? That just says salmonella and norovirus and encourages hand hygiene. Masks wouldn't help there.
Yeah parent poster added the masks into the comment, but the study did not mention them, but as the study says, the improper hand hygiene is responsible for large number of food poisonings.
Why the study doesn't talk about masks? Likely because it was done before pandemic so no one wore masks in that setting. Second thing is that generally they are concerned about serious diseases and if somebody would report catching a cold from eating at restaurant will simply be ignored. People are also less likely to report because it's harder to be sure where cold came from.
Though if diseases transferred via dirty hands caused 41% of outbreaks, then I believe it's safe to say that air borne disease is more likely to transfer that way, it's just a kind of diseases that no one cared about until we had covid, and only in 2020.
What’s unreasonable about someone else choosing to wear a mask when they’re sick? Even if it’s not causing foodborne illnesses, it’s still spreading the illness to other staff and customers.
The comment is nonsense. It's a made up statistic. That's whats unreasonable.
This “made up statistic” is the “unreasonable approach to safe food handling” that you referred to earlier? That doesn’t make sense as statistics are data not actions to follow when handling food.
Are you arguing that a stranger freely deciding to wear a mask when they’re sick is too unreasonable in your eyes and should be banned? That’s ridiculous.
No, I am not arguing that and I don't particularly know why you think I am since I never indicated it. I objected to the idea that masks would prevent half of food borne illnesses, when they would likely prevent none. If you base your actions off of something as ridiculous as that, you are not taking a reasonable approach to safe food handling.
If you think you're arguing with an anti masker, you're not. Like I said, I'm a nurse and provided direct patient care to people dying from COVID.
pizza_rollsThe type of people who ban masks are also the type of people that think you should be forced to work when sick 🤮
To be fair, if you’re getting food poisoning from someone preparing your food it’s probably not the end covered by the mask that’s the problem.
Correlation, not causation. Is my food poisoning orally contagious? A sick employee may care a lot less about the quality of food they’re preparing, causing more people to get sick from rotten food on average. There are too many variables to even consider in this.
Mandatory No-Mask is such a weird stance, it violates both Health&Safety and Personal Choice/Freedom.
FoxBJKWas it even necessary? Like, does In-n-Out have so many staff still wearing masks that they’ve gotta mandate this?
Yeah, it's not. From my experience in the restaurant that I visit (in LA) I see maybe 1/4 or 1/5 that still wear them.
As a parent of a pre-K kid (for those who don't know, daycares and schools for young kids are grand centrals for microbes) I no longer get sick from covid, but I can still tell I got it, because there are specific symptoms I'm still getting from it that are quite annoying. One of the worst is that for few days I feel just extremely tired. If I have nothing to do, and I can just sleep that time off. Working during that time is no fun.
So even if mask reduces chance of getting that by half, it is still worth it. It also would help employer as being tired at job one won't get as productive as they normally could. And this is just my experience, and other people have it worse.
Just had it for the first time. About a week in I had a day where I was extremely tired, almost like I never fully woke up that morning despite getting a great night sleep. Pretty awful symptom and probably the worst of all the symptoms I had. I could barely function that day. Covid is a strange disease.
How are you still getting it that often. I got it once in the UK after if been jabbed three times, that felt like a pretty bad cold for a week, and since then I’ve tested with each cold, but it hasn’t been Covid since that first time.
First thing is that, I am taking immuno-suppressing drug regularly.
Second thing is what is happening to me is (depending how you look at it) minor. I don't get cold symptoms anymore either (although I my first covid was just runny nose). The primary thing is that I get that mentioned tiredness. I think most people would chalk it up under having a bad day / not sleeping enough etc.
The thing though is that when it happens it comes with few other symptoms that I had when I had covid:
- flare up, causing joint pain especially in the morning
- first day there's a light diarrhea (also nothing concerning on its own, and following day is normal)
And those three things always come together at the same time.
Are you actually testing each time or assuming it’s Covid?
No, I'm not testing and I doubt it would even show positive. I don't have any cold-like symptoms, and tests, test my mucus.
It's not like what you described having covid, or even my first covid.
Perhaps I should not say that I had covid, but instead I was exposed to it multiple times and my body naturalized it before it became anything significant but it still caused those symptoms?
Could it be long Covid from the confirmed times causing the knock on effects?
Maybe, but interestingly it comes and goes, and my immediate family also says that they feel tired at the same time.
We have to strip you of your freedom in the name of freedom.
- Freedom country
They never cared about personal freedom I’m the first place it was just an excuse not to do what other people wanted them to do.
If you think about it mandating masks for food prep makes way more sense.
This is an absolutely ludicrous policy.
Imagine a company banning their employees from washing their hands or wearing hair nets?
The only possible reason they could have to do this is an attempt to appeal to moronic conservatives.
Do they realize that workers in food factories have been wearing masks for decades?
In N Out even has their own warehouses to supply their restaurants. I see meat packing positions listed on their website which I would highly suspect require masks.
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dystopEr… What?
USA, you all are nuts. Imagine banning masks in a hospital.
Bro don’t give the crazies ideas please.
There is no doubt many US hospitals where this would fly.
No fucking doubt.
ChetzemokaSome of them literally did that right at the start of the pandemic before everything got shut down for quarantine because "it might scare the patients."
I wish I were kidding.
https://www.npr.org/2020/04/02/825200206/doctors-say-hospitals-are-stopping-them-from-wearing-masks
The hospital I get my care from here in Los Angeles still requires masks, and the security guard will make you put one on before you can enter the lobby. 👍
ArotriosI'm not terribly surprised, given as they print bible verses on their packaging. Sad to see another relatively decent Christian business go down the alt-right rabbit hole, but their burgers aren't good enough for me to risk the plague because they can't follow basic safety guidelines.
Scooter411Ugh… god has the worst fan base.
It's messed up. Imagine the memo said, that in-n-out bans hairnets, gloves and washing hands unless the offender has a medical note.
I don't argue for mandating it, as it is very hot in the kitchen, and mask would make it even worse experience, but pandemic or not this makes sense when working on food, it makes it more sanitary, and if employees wants to wear masks all power to them, they should not be penalized.
OhStopYellingAtMeIn & out burger - they’re the ones who print bible verses on their fry containers, aren’t they?
If so, that tracks.
They sure are.
ivanafterallThe absurdly overrated chain, yeah.
For real. One of the most disappointing experiences of my life was the first time I tried In N Out. I took a couple bites, sat back, and just thought, “That’s it? That’s what everyone thinks is a great burger? What the fuck is wrong with everyone?”
Yep. It had been built-up as this unmissable Western-U.S. experience. In California for the first time, THERE IT IS. Man, so underwhelming.
Me in summer through winter of 2020: “Well, silver lining about COVID is that we all learned how to wear masks once this all blows over.”
Conservative family: “Agree!”
Me during the unending apocalypse in summer 2023: “We should wear masks with the air quality so poor [unsaid: due to the now present and undeniable human-caused climate change.”
Exact same conservative family: “That sounds like socialism and fascism to me”
At least the lines will be shorter after they’ve infected enough of their older customer base
doctortofuThe people who made this decision when they talk about vaccines: “My body, my choice, you can’t tell me what to do!”
Same people, when they talk about masking, abortion or anything else: “Your body, my choice, I can and will tell you what to do!”
My skull would probably crack from the cognitive dissonance if I tried holding these two opinions, but it seems some people have no issues with it at all…
𝕽𝖔𝖔𝖙𝖎𝖊𝖘𝖙You can’t make me wear one in the middle of a pandemic but I can force you to remove yours!
And this, my friends, is what virtue signalling actually looks like.
magnetosphereI had no idea the company was run by such huge assholes. I don’t think I’ve ever been to an In-n-Out, and now I know to avoid them.
skepticaliforniaYou’re not missing anything - they are pretty overrated with a very limited menu. In my opinion 5 Guys is better.
Regular HumanAnd 5 guys is already overrated af
Isn’t the appeal of in-n-out the lower price point compared to other fast food burger places, rather than the options or stellar flavor? 5 guys is way more expensive and the customization/taste reflects that.
Agreed that 5 Guys is pricier (although here in CA fast food prices everywhere are through the roof) but, and this is just my opinion, which is basically worthless to anyone else - if I am going to pay In-n-out prices, I’d rather just go to Wendy’s or McDonalds. Although I will say that the shakes at in-n-out are the best, again just my opinion.
5 guys is better, but also more than twice the price.
In N out isn’t the best, but they’re the best for their price.
P. Terry’s is comparable, but fairly new and currently limited to 30 or so locations in Texas.
vaultdweller013So why compare it to IN-N-Out a company largely based in california.
Because In N Out is also in Texas (my city has both), they are comparable in quality/price, and they are presently expanding. I’m sorry this information does not help you specifically, but that does not mean it’s useless to everyone.