muhyb

Nani?

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I’m moving my posts from Reddit to Lemmy before delete them. This post is from 2021-03-09.

Jul 16, 2023 at 9:05pmWeb
Show thread5SpeedDeasilJul 16, 2023
Funny enough, the Japanese doesn’t have the word “the” per say. It most depends on context and how you translate it. Example: ねこは赤です -> literal translation: Cat red Now time to add some English words to make it sound ✨better✨ “The cat is red”
Show threadmuhybJul 16, 2023
はい、そうです。
Show threadhakaseJul 16, 2023
If you’re interested, please do crosspost this (and any other linguistics memes you have) over to /c/[email protected]
Show threadmuhybJul 16, 2023
Heh, that’s my kind of humor. Will do. :)
Show threadhakaseJul 16, 2023
I think that’s what the meme was trying to say.
Show threadRachelhazideasJul 17, 2023
I think 's what meme was trying to say?
Show threadhakaseJul 17, 2023
Japanese has demonstratives like “that”, just no articles.
Show threadRachelhazideasJul 17, 2023
‘That’ wasn’t meant to be deleted, so thanks for pointing out typo. (Sorry if this is double posted)
Show threaddreadgoatJul 16, 2023

"Cat red" makes Japanese sounds way more vague than it really is, you're just not bothering to attempt to transliterate the grammar structures because it's too hard for English speakers to understand without a half-hour lecture.

It's "Cat (topic marker) red (basic copula)", which obviously carries a lot more information than just "cat red" to a person who intuitively understands what those weird grammar markers signify

Japanese not having articles is just as weird as PIE languages not having things like topic markers.

Show threadlemmington_steeleJul 17, 2023
topic markers are just a fancy way to say case endings
Show threaddreadgoatJul 17, 2023
Not really, topic markers are... uh... and case endings... analytical instead of... wait a minute
Der Hund ist rot; 犬は赤いです
Ich esse den Hund; 犬を食べる
no it can't be
Der Knochen des Hundes; 犬の骨
fuck
Ich gebe dem Hund einen Knochen; 犬に骨をあげます
Show threadPerfideJul 16, 2023
Why say many word when few word do trick?
Show threadzefiaxJul 17, 2023

I speak bengali and we don’t the word “the” nor do we have any gendered nouns, verbs, or even pronouns. So much easier and straight forward and no pronoun politics necessary.

We do have a respect hierarchy though like japanese, so we have 3 version of the language lol.

Show threadmuhybJul 17, 2023

So it’s kinda different from general Indo-European. In that regard, Bengali looks like Turkish, no articles no gendered anything.

Three version of the language? You mean the alphabet or?

Show threadzefiaxJul 18, 2023

Nope I mean of the language itself has three different version for most words.

So for example, for the word “you”, when you are speaking to someone who is a close friend or sometimes a child, or someone of much lower social standing, you would say “tui”. If you are talking to a friend (not close), someone of similar age that you know well but aren’t super close, speaking to someone noticeably much younger than you, or to an elder who you are very comfortable with, you would say “tumi”. When speaking to someone you don’t know who is visibly not much younger than you, or when speaking to most elders, you would say “apni”.

If you don’t want to assume age and you aren’t speaking to a child, it’s best to default to “apni” as that is the most respectful form of the language.

So there are three versions of the language with it’s own set of words based on the level of formality in the social interaction that is taking place.

Show threadmuhybJul 18, 2023
Ahh I see, like Keigo for Japanese. Interesting, thanks for the info.
Show threadBuffaloxJul 16, 2023
Funny though German has the more complex rules on the surface, English becomes the more complicated when counting all the exceptions.
Show threadhakaseJul 16, 2023
Do you have a source for this? Also, what sort of “exceptions” do you mean? German has cognates of most of the English inherited grammatical exceptions, and has many more classes of its own that aren’t reflected in English.
Show threadBuffaloxJul 16, 2023
No I don’t have a source, it’s what my German teacher claimed. So maybe not an unbiased source?
Show threadDagnetJul 16, 2023

As someone who learned English as my second language and German third, they both have exceptions and the only thing German is easier than English is that you can spell a word after hearing it, while English it can really be anything.

Everything else though? German is insanely harder, I don’t think I could get it to the level of my English if I studied for 10 years (been about 4 years of studying it now)

Show threadBuffaloxJul 16, 2023
Same here, English 2nd German 3rd. I’ll never get nearly as good at German for many reasons. Mostly I’m way more exposed to English, and I use it every day.
Show threadpreciouspuppJul 16, 2023
What exceptions?
Show threadBuffaloxJul 16, 2023
mouse mice, ox oxen…
Show threadbeforanJul 17, 2023
through trough tough bough bought
Show threadChickenLadyLovesLifeJul 17, 2023
I’m a native English speaker and even for me that list gets rougher the longer I look at it - pun intended.
Show threadryathalJul 17, 2023
English exceptions aren’t so bad, you just need to know that there’s a ton of loan words, what their origin was, when it was anglicized, and which country’s preferred version you’re learning. If it’s not a loan word it’s either standard or somewhat re-latined to maintain class hierarchy.
Show threadDohnakunJul 17, 2023
Oha, that’s it?
Show threadnothendevJul 16, 2023
Also Russian
Show threadvolvoxvsmarla Jul 16, 2023
“Yeah, we don’t have articles. But the words have genders. Just deal with it.”
Show threadNightAuthorJul 16, 2023
Use your data export to ensure you delete all your posts and comments before deleting your account. Using something like power delete suite does not get everything if you have a lot of activity on your account.
Show threadmuhybJul 16, 2023
Already doing that, wonder how long will it take. :)
Show threadNightAuthorJul 17, 2023
I ran into a “too many requests” a couple of times so I just put a 3 second cooldown on each request (it was naturally going like 1/second naturally through PRAW) took about 14 hours with my delay, but at least I didnt have to babysit it.
Show threadmuhybJul 17, 2023
I didn’t have that problem and it’s finally over. Hope they don’t bring them back since some of them cannot be modified because of archived lock.
Show threadDohnakunJul 17, 2023
Running it twice?
Show threadNightAuthorJul 17, 2023
It seems like Reddit slowly starts filling in those deleted comments. In my experience, like as much as 5 per day. There’s no guarantee it’ll eventually get all comments even if ran repeatedly, and if you have 17k comments like me, it’s still probably take years to get all comments at that rate.
Show threaddeeznutzJul 16, 2023
Latin: German has 4 cases? That’s cute.
Show threadTobleJul 16, 2023
you should see turkish
Show threadonlookerJul 17, 2023
Meanwhile: plural in Japan (kind of).
Japanese counter word - Wikipedia

Show threadChickenLadyLovesLifeJul 17, 2023
Years ago I studied Malayalam while living in India (Malayalam is the language of Kerala state on the southernmost tip of the country). When I learned the grammar I was surprised to see that it had nominative, dative and accusative cases just like German, which was convenient since I’d studied German in high school. Turns out the grammar had actually been sort of imposed on Malayalam centuries ago by a wandering German monk.
Show threadlemmington_steeleJul 17, 2023
couldn’t stop laughing. could I have a source please?
Show threadChickenLadyLovesLifeJul 17, 2023
Hermann Gundert. I was a bit off: he was a missionary rather than a monk, and it was a century and a half ago rather than “centuries ago”. His book on Malayalam grammar was called Malayalabhaasha Vyakaranam.
Hermann Gundert - Wikipedia

Show threadF5XSJul 17, 2023
Tagalog: Ang Bonus: Tagalog pronouns are all gender-neutral. “He” and “She” is just “Siya”, indirect form is just “Niya”, and possessive form is just “kaniya”.