chrischryseIf I stop drinking does that decrease risk of cancer?
KuchiKopi3-4 drinks per year won’t affect your cancer risk. Unless you’ve been drinking radium or something.
DmianThat’s completely wrong. There’s no safe level of alcohol intake: who.int/…/04-01-2023-no-level-of-alcohol-consumpt…
No safe level of sunlight by the same logic.
Not true, and also a fallacy.
How much sun is good for our health?
Researchers have estimated the duration of solar radiation exposure required in order to obtain the recommended doses of vitamin D. While in spring and summer 10 to 20 minutes in the sun are enough, in the winter months almost two hours would be needed, therefore for the vast majority of the population it is difficult to achieve the optimal values. Every year, studies on the benefits of sunbathing in moderate doses are interspersed with those that confirm the risks of doing it excessively.
Literally just existing breathing is slowly killing you. I couldn’t be bothered to be scared of literally everything I do or not do in the risk it “could kill me” we all die anyways. May as well do it on your own terms.
But the WHO didn't right a report that breathing ages you (because it requires the passage of time), this risking age-related health problems and ultimate, inevitable death.
Which fallacy is the one where you cite a paper that doesn't say what you claim it does?
The optimum level of sun exposure for vitamin D production does not mean that level is "safe." You're trading vitamin D for cancer risk. Your claim about alcohol didn't make any cost / benefit analysis. It was only that there is no safe level. You paid no regard to how small the risks were, only that there was any risk.
You can get vitamin D from your diet or supplements. You can get skin cancer and retinal cancer from the sun.
Oh come on, you don’t have to drink. Drinking is a choice and an easily avoidable health risk.
SirenceExactly. I put on sunscreen indoors and people think I’m being dramatic. Same people ask me how I manage to look almost 20 years younger then I am. Sunlight is poisonous.
Are you my coworker?
I am self employed so unless you secretly live in my office walls I don’t think so.
I might!
Technically yes, but 3-4 drinks per year is such a small amount it’s going to make a negligible difference.
Yep, it’s like saying that drinking communion wine at church is a risky amount of alcohol.
Yeah, when everyone knows it’s really religion that’s cancerous.
OP asked: “will it decrease the risk?”
And the answer is: “yes”.
Now, we can talk all the “but” you want, but that’s what the studies say.
Mattethis is basically not understanding what “risk” means. if you have a 1% risk of developing cancer, and by doing something (ie drinking) you double relatively-wise that risk, it’s still only 2% of risk. would you stop drinking and enjoying alcohol and living a happier life for a mere 1%?
all the numbers I’m using are totally random, but it shows that saying “it increases the risk” although technically correct doesn’t mean shit and it’s just fearmongering and a basic inability of understanding information.
I understand what risk is.
But I also understand that we’re all different, and our bodies and genetics are different, and what can be harmless for you (let’s say, chocolate), may be harmful for me…
So, I’ll go with what the World Health Organization recommends, and it’s to not drink alcohol.
As a non-drinker who has seen the ravages of alcohol abuse in several loved ones, I completely understand the “no level is safe” guideline.
That said, 3-4 drinks per year is far below any measure of alcohol use that is seriously studied, where researchers look at drinking at the “amount per week” level. 3-4 drinks per year is essentially on the level of being a non-drinker.
Sounds like the American equivalent of pot. I brew beer and have customers who drink 50L kegs every week and have for years, try doing that with asbestos and live…
An effect can be observable but still negligible in terms of the actual increase of risk.
How do you know? Do you know OP’s medical records? Do you know if he has a genetic propensity to develop cancer or not?
You can’t generalize in that way without information.
We all know anecdotal cases of people who smoked or drunk heavily and lived long lives. And people who were non-smokers and died young from second hand smoke. You don’t know how your body will tolerate a substance you put in it. Some people can deal with things that other can’t.
So saying “negligible in terms of the actual increase of risk” without actually having all the information about a person is a really bold thing to say, in my opinion.
Change of risk for 3 drinks a year is unnoticeable. You can’t tell it from normal noise.
What if I’ve been drinking radium
If you’ve been drinking 3-4 drinks a year for 7 years, you’d almost decrease your chances of cancer by drinking more lol
If you are referring to the J curve (that the lowest point is those who drink a little), it’s usually explained that those who don’t drink at all usually do so because of poor health.
I don’t drink because alcohol gives me bad heartburn. Guess that does sorta count as being in poor health.
i dont drink because i mistook mine and my mothers bottle and in hers where beer. Still traumatised how disguisting it tasted
I hardly ever even drank a drop until I “discovered” alcohol at 26. Enjoyed it on and off for a few years and now only at 29, drinking gives me an instant headache and makes me feel like shit before I’m even drunk. I don’t get what happened, but it’s like any amount of drinking instantly gives me a mild hangover.
it might. but the difference would be absolutely marginal. also there’s a line between reasonably moderating your life not to die of cancer at 30 and worrying about everything and micromanaging every single aspect of your life to minimize your risk of cancer, which could ironically increase it. i know you didnt say anything like that, but many keep reading that x thing causes cancer and cut it out of their lives, then read that y causes it too and so on, just be reasonable
Probably but by a very very very very very small amount. So small it’s essentially no change at all.
Does that apply to the chance of developing cancer or only decreasing
lntlNope, no measurable effect.
Drinking doesn’t cause cancer. It destroys your liver. And it would be 3-4 times a week, each time more than one glass.
Alcohol absolutely increases the risk of cancer. But yeah, 3-4 drinks a year is nothing.
www.cdc.gov/cancer/alcohol/index.htm
Lol. Okay. Your risk of getting cancer doubles (or becomes three times) if you drink 1,5l of beer or half a liter of wine daily?! who does that? at that point i’d be afraid of becoming an alcoholic.
Oh sweet summer child.
yeah okay. maybe people aren’t afraid of becoming an alcoholic. i mainly drink on weekends and maybe on a few weekdays for example when it’s summer and warm.
Idk people. I worry about cancer like when i eat beef or order a pizza with salami. Both things that also cause cancer.
Ok? Yes? People can be alcoholics, and that increases your risk of cancer.
driving_croonerHalf a liter of wine is what? Two cups? There’s a lot of functional alcoholics who easily drink a whole bottle at dinner each night.
My parents are perfect examples. 1700 hits and it's cocktail time, have a couple before dinner, wine with dinner, and often after dinner drinks as well.
Nearly every single day.
Let me guess their opinion on weed.
Years ago, you'd have been spot on, they are at least closer to neutral. Now they give my sibling money to buy it.
Might have to do with the the fact my sibling was convicted of conspiracy to distribute, and distribution of cocaine... Weed is a better compromise.
They know I use it for sleep, and sometimes it helps. Clearly not tonight, as it's 0411 and I'm not even tired yet.
Actually, if you stop drinking you’ll eliminate the risk of getting cancer from alcohol. That’s a fact. Not drinking any alcohol is the only way to avoid getting cancer from it. Same is true for tobacco.
Now, there are many things that can give you cancer, from environmental factors to genetic ones. So, there are a lot of things not under your control that may still give you cancer.
But if you want to, at least, eliminate the ones you can control, not drinking alcohol and not smoking are two good candidates. There are others, related to your diet that you can control (some related to red meats, for example).
From all I’ve read, there’s no safe level of alcohol intake. So, I became a teetotaler a few years ago. It’s not that bad. There’s are lots of alternatives that still allow you to socialize in a group that’s drinking. If you have any questions, just ask.
I'm just a simple statistican, but I would be more worried about sun exposure, tap water quality, air quality, processed foods and occupational hazards (depending on job) over 3-4 drinks per year.
Yeah, ok. But I just want to make clear that I’m not telling people what to do, or to establish what’s more or less dangerous here. My only intention was to respond to OP’s question, by giving a straight answer.
And I totally understand that people don’t like to hear that alcohol, in any quantity, gives cancer. It’s a rather unpopular opinion, and I know what awaits me when I say it. But it is what it is. I can’t change what countless studies and what every major Health organization says.
Don’t take this the wrong way, but if you’re worried about getting cancer from 3-4 drinks per year, it sounds like you might be dealing with a fair bit of anxiety.
Stress caused by anxiety is a major cancer risk, definitely much more so than 3-4 drinks a year. I don’t want you to now be anxious about your anxiety, but this might be a good thing to focus on.
You could start by talking to a doctor or other medical professional about it, or try finding a therapist in your area. The therapist search on www.psychologytoday.com is a good place to look, or try an online service like Better Help.
CALIGVLAStress caused by anxiety is a major cancer risk, definitely much more so than 3-4 drinks a year.
Oh great, another thing to be anxious about. My anxiety is going so out of control it’s going meta now.
Have a drink and relax.
TheGreenGolemJoey: Monica. Relax. Go get a beer.
Monica: I don’t want a beer!
Joey: Who said it was for you?
Monica: I don’t want a beer!
Joey: Who said it was for you?
Joey: Monica. Relax. Go get a beer.
Monica: I don’t want a beer!
Joey: Who said it was for you?
Monica: I don’t want a beer!
Joey: Who said it was for you?
Have you ever had chest pain because of anxiety…and then the chest pain itself gives you anxiety about having chest pain?? Lmao
How does anxiety cause cancer?
ChozoCortisol, the "stress hormone", has been shown to possibly accelerate cancer development.
Predisposing factors for increased cortisol levels in oral cancer patients
Cancer patients may have a dysregulation of the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal (HPA) axis and abnormal secretion of cortisol. Increased cortisol levels have been associated with worse prognosis in patients with different types of tumors. Although anxiety ...
wow … great…
So if you have cancer, the important thing is not to be worried at all about the horrific illness and potential death that you're facing. Simple....
Fair question, and looks like I overstated that link.
Chronic stress affects your immune system (via cortisol, long term inflammation) and that is no bueno for all sorts of health outcomes, including likely making it harder to fight off tumours.
But to my surprise, there doesn’t actually seem to be solid evidence of a causal link between stress and increased risk of developing cancer.
3-4 drinks a year is nothing, I have alcohol intolerance (stomach cancer risks) and I can probably drink that.
True enough, but you should try to not worry about cancer as much. Not saying don't stop drinking; only good things can come out of not drinking alcohol, but stress and anxiety are also pretty bad for your health. If this is as bad as it looks, you might wanna talk to a professional.
True enough, but you should try to not worry about cancer as much. Not saying don't stop drinking; only good things can come out of not drinking alcohol, but stress and anxiety are also pretty bad for your health. If this is as bad as it looks, you might wanna talk to a professional.