YSK alternatives to imgur for uploading your images

Imgur now blocks several VPNs and have issues loading embedded previews in several fediverse platforms. So instead of using imgur, you could use one of the following alternatives for uploading your images....

https://kbin.social/m/youshouldknow@lemmy.world/t/178596

YSK alternatives to imgur for uploading your images - youshouldknow - kbin.social

Imgur now blocks several VPNs and have issues loading embedded previews in several fediverse platforms. So instead of using imgur, you could use one of the following alternatives for uploading your images....

Any thoughts about uploading images straight to lemmy.world vs using these sites to host? Is either option vulnerable to takedowns?

Images could eat up the server resources of your instance. Using a third-party service reduces the burden on them.

Anything that you don't host yourself are vulnerable to takedowns. But as someone who has been using postimages.org for many years now, I have never had any such issue with them, and haven't heard of anyone else facing them as well. The other three services I linked also have a good reputation as reliable services.

As an instance admin I gladly host user files.

One thing to take into account is that images posted by an instanceA user on an instanceB community will still be hosted on instance A.

So as long as an instance doesn’t host more users than it can handle it should be fine.

From what I understand reading this thread, if instanceA goes down, any images hosted there are lost, while the comments will still exist because they’re federated. You’re only shifting the responsibility of hosting the image from a site like imgur to the home instance of the poster.

I guess it comes down to if you’re concerned about how long your home instance is going to be around for, use an external host, or see if/when account migrations are added if images move too (although they would also have to fix the src for wherever the image is now being hosted)

Do the rules of your home instance apply when posting to a different instance? - Lemmy.ca

I’m new to the Fediverse and I’m still trying to understand how this all works. While browsing the All/Federated home page, I saw some posts which seemed to be pornographic. It got me thinking about the rules of Lemmy instances. Lemmy.ca [http://Lemmy.ca] has a “no porn” rule. Hypothetically, if I were to use my Lemmy.ca [http://Lemmy.ca] account to post porn on an instance which allows that type of content, would I be in violation of Lemmy.ca [http://Lemmy.ca]’s rules? I guess the question is related to my confusion about where federated content is stored. If I use my Lemmy.ca [http://Lemmy.ca] account to reply to a Lemmy.ml [http://Lemmy.ml] thread, which server does my comment “live” in? If I were to delete my Lemmy.ca [http://Lemmy.ca] account, would all my comments in Lemmy.ml [http://Lemmy.ml] disappear too?

A downside to hosting images externally is that these image hosts can go down before the Lemmy instance does, leaving many posts without context. One should keep this in mind when choosing where to upload their images.

Lemmy instances have quite small size limits compared to other services. And all of them are vulnerable to DMCA takedowns as they have to comply with the laws of the host country, but unless you plan on hosting CSAM you are good with either choice.

But all have a good track record for keeping images online without deleting.

Aren’t other file/image hosts just as vulnerable to DMCA takedowns? I mean, they have to comply with their host country’s law, too.
In theory, yes. In practice, no. E.g. Russia is known to ignore DMCA takedown requests and there is nothing anyone can do about it.
One downside is that images uploaded to lemmy.world are hosted on lemmy.world. If the instance ever goes down those images are gone since federation does not propagate the files. This is less of an issue for that specific instance, but I could see smaller instances disappearing and causing issues with broken image links.
Catbox

The cutest free file host you've ever seen

They look good. Large size limit of 200 mb and NSFW-friendly. But unfortunately according to their FAQ, they are blocked in Australia, UK and Ireland.
Weird, I am in the uk and can use catbox no problem
Same here in Australia. Might only be a select few smaller ISPs that have blocked it, ie the ones the government can bully easily.
It’s seems like it’s only a dns level block, so changing to non-isp dns might help you bypass that restriction.
Also in Aus here, using ISP DNS, not blocked. I think what you generally find is that most ISP’s just don’t do the DNS blocks, even if they’re required to. Like you said, it’s very easily circumvented and also it just doesn’t lead to any measurable outcome other than the ISP customer’s dissatisfaction in some cases. It’s probably more profitable to retain the customers and deal with whatever regulatory blowback.
Not blocked in the UK here for me. Sounds like an ISP specific thing.

they are blocked in Australia, UK, Ireland, Iran and Afghanistan

Seems to be blocked for a friend from the philippines too iirc. Combined with other replies saying they can access it from some of these, I assume that list is outdated.

Website works for me here in the Philippines.
Files from Catbox seem to always be slow to load for me
They are a lot smaller than something like Imgur some they probably don’t have worldwide CDN to distribute images, so it will probably depend on the location where you are, but their offering of public API defintely outweights any possible slowdowns for me.

We should include Pixelfed here.

pixelfed.org

Pixelfed - Decentralized social media

Learn more about Pixelfed, the free and open-source decentralized photo sharing social media platform

Pixelfed
Pixelfed is a really good option. I have only added the websites that I have used, but have been planning on make a Pixelfed account.

I feel like that’s a different use case?

I post things to Imgur so I could reference them in posts on other platforms. I don’t want the images tied together.

Pixelfed is an Instagram variant

Can you embed pixelfed posts here?
How do pixelfed instances even work. I imagine the storage requirements are crazy on a busy server.
Which may or may not be related to the main server having over a million users and the second biggest server obly having a couple thousand
Pixelfed.social gives you 7GB of total storage
I feel like using this for the sake of posting pictures to Lemmy would just clog up Pixelfed instances with things not even meant for them. Pixelfed is a community, not really an "image host", even though it technically has that capacity,.

Upvoted for the Fediverse and FOSS features, but if you’re looking for a simple FOSS image hosting service devoid of any social features then also look up for any Lutim instance

Some working instance (there are less and less for service being free and focussed on hosting images makes it a cost hard to sustain for any volunteer individual or association)

www.chatons.org/search/by-service?service_type_ta…

GitHub - ldidry/lutim: Let's Upload That Image ! Read-only mirror of https://framagit.org/fiat-tux/hat-softwares/lutim

Let's Upload That Image ! Read-only mirror of https://framagit.org/fiat-tux/hat-softwares/lutim - ldidry/lutim

GitHub
Which one of these alternatives delete the gps/exif data automatically on upload?
NOT postimages certainly ,that lights it up like a chrismas tree (except.iromically.in the the preview I used to try to work out if it did)
For when someone answers this, @[email protected] in 5 hours
@InfiniWheel Ok, I will remind you on Tuesday Jul 11, 2023 at 8:08 PM PDT.
Fyi, that bot won’t respond unless you mention its name at the start of your message.
It did actually, or only I can see its response?
Weird, I don’t see any response.
I will have to test this manually across sites to know because none of them advertises themselves as doing this. But nevertheless, the best practice would Bebe to strip down such data yourselves before uploading. There are many apps that will allow you to easily do that.
Related: What are the best options for gifv and other short videos?
Catbox

The cutest free file host you've ever seen

Catbox claims to keep files forever. I find this claim dubious, what's the catch?

There are files I've uploaded to them since their service started that are still there.

After a while, files go into a "cold storage" and there's a wait until the server retrieves it.

Do the other sites here delete the files after a given time period?

The ‘catch’ is that running a service like this gets expensive fast and it’s the same with all the free image hosting sites.

Catbox is run entirely by donations with anything left covered by the owner out of their own pocket. If the donations dry up, it will eventually have to shut down. Again, this isn’t unique to Catbox, all the free sites could easily suffer the same fate.

I’ve been looking for a service that uses IPFS to get a more distributed solution in place. Although you need an HTTP proxy for anyone that doesn’t have the plugin or use a browser with support built in. There’s a service called Pinata, but it only lets you upload 100 files for free
IPFS Powers the Distributed Web

The InterPlanetary File System is a peer-to-peer hypermedia protocol designed to preserve and grow humanity's knowledge by making the web upgradeable, resilient, and more open.

IPFS (or similar tech) is the only sustainable solution for media hosting on federated platforms.

Permanence is important - old posts with dead media links is bad for society - but we can't expect volunteer instance admins to be held responsible for something as complex and expensive as that.

While somewhat correct it still needs someone hosting your data, even if it’s you.

Slightly off-topic:

I never get why Ipfs is using these false claims about “uploading” to the Ipfs and having it “permanently” stored. In reality it’s just Torrent, someone has to have the file - if no one has, there is no file. In theory one could make the same file available again in the future but all the hashing settings have to match with the previous or you’ll get a different reference hash.

The hardest part will always be moderation. It will be incredibly difficult to prevent smut and CSAM propagating without people actively monitoring what content is being hosted. But even if you assume random people have the time and are ok with seeing and reporting/filtering out that content, you’ll still never combat advanced cryptographic steganography techniques; a picture of a flower might have content hidden inside it somehow that encodes the bad content in a way that you’ll never find it. On top of that, moderation is work that no one wants to do for random content they don’t care about, but without people hosting content they don’t care about, links will die too quickly to be useful. Imagine if you posted an image to a niche community, and then had to keep your system on for hours, days, or weeks, ready to seed it to the one lurker who happens across it, and then maybe they also seed it.

tl;dr it’s a very difficult problem…

You can just use fediverse (eg. kbin) to upload your image directly, without any of those instances?
Uploading directly uses server resources which are voluntarily provided, that's why using external providers and just posting links instead is usually better.

It's true, but there's some pretty reasonably priced S3 compatible containers now. To the extent I'd only start getting concerned at the 1TB mark.

Of course I also am not going to complain if people use hosting sites and prolong how long it takes to get to 1tb :p

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. The individual hosts of the Fediverse are limited on space, and jamming that limited space full of images, rather than using an external image hosting service, is worse for the sustainability of these spaces

In addition, help out your instance admins by resizing the image if you don’t need it in high resolution.

Uploading a 250Kb file rather than a 2.5MB one makes a difference when thousands of users are doing it.

@aleph As a user admin myself, we are looking into fine-tuning those settings to limit uploads of an x amount in file size. But are we are looking into some thumbnail library to reduce the image sizes indeed.
Saving images as webp gives massive savings, and I think everyone can view them nowadays.
Someone somewhere has to host the image. Realistically it should be the same people hosting the instance so you don’t run into cases where historical posts have all their images dropped. In an absolute ideal world everyone selfhosts their own images, but that’s an absolute fantasy.
Shouldn’t this be a per instance policy? Why would the onus be on the poster?
Because pretty much all instances are being run by volunteers and hobbyists, and not a for-profit who is profiting from your content. This is just something nice to do for reducing the resources they require to run the service.
I understand that. You and I are decent human beings, but a lot of people are dicks. So the instance owners should be the ones active at protecting their resources.