astral_avocadoJul 10, 2023

TIL lemmy.ml is a pro-authoritarian CCP shill instance

https://lemmynsfw.com/post/262488

TIL lemmy.ml is a pro-authoritarian CCP shill instance - Lemmy NSFW

For all the newcomers that aren’t aware, I just stumbled upon this insane drama. Apparently lemmy.ml [http://lemmy.ml] is the result of a reddit sub ban of a bunch of pro-china bots who vigorously defend the Chinese government, and the two top admins are also the top devs of the Lemmy source software. Pretty terrible stuff! The linked thread is full of their insane ramblings and denialism.

Show threadpreasketJul 10, 2023

Good thing that what they are building is super transparent, open source and distributed. That critical post wasn’t even deleted.

As long as that remains the case, I’m happy that Lemmy is a place where you can find all kinds of views represented.

Show threadQuokkaJul 11, 2023

Oh yeah, I’m really happy that alt-right/ *ist/neonazi/etc views are represented.

So glad for diversity of bigotry!

Show threadpreasketJul 11, 2023
Suppressing different views on a platform doesn’t make them go away, it only radicalises them. The only real, long term solution is debate and persuasion.
Show threadTSG_Asmodeus (he, him)Jul 11, 2023

Suppressing different views on a platform doesn’t make them go away

We’re not talking about ‘different views’, we’re talking about violent, bigoted, misogynistic, racist views that advocate for the removal/killing of people based on what they were born as. There’s no ‘middle ground’ or ‘debate’ to be had with someone who holds those views.

They can be de-radicalised sure, but not by a bunch of strangers on the internet.

Show threadexapsy

Dude, they’re gonna exist anyway. Banning them does not change them. It just … mutes them from you. They’re going to go to their next lemmy/reddit/twitter/neighborhood/bar/whatever and say the same things.

Radicalizing them and getting away from them, or if you’re a very great diplomatic person and persuasive and charismatic to change their minds, is the best you can do. But banning them, just makes them make their own echo-circle ANYWAYS. You’re not changing anything. You’re literally making things worse by banning them. You just make your place seem “safer”, but these people are gonna co-exist in a another circle anyways. You’re not banishing them from existence.

Jul 11, 2023 at 5:36pmWeb
Show thread_cerpin_taxt_Jul 11, 2023

Unrelated but did you guys know that you can add user notes, which is basically like a Reddit tag. Pretty handy in this thread!

Show threadShardikprimeJul 11, 2023
Found the fascist
Show threadFabioTheNewOrderJul 12, 2023
Well, go and make friends then. Don’t you like being friend with fascists?
Show thread_cerpin_taxt_Jul 11, 2023

HEY GUYS LET’S ALLOW KLAN MEMBERS, NAZIS, AND AL QUAEDA IN HERE BECAUSE THEY EXIST ANYWAYS SO WE SHOULD GIVE THEM A MAINSTREAM PLATFORM SO THEY CAN SPREAD THEIR SHITTY VIEWS AND TRY TO RECRUIT MORE HATE MONGERERS.

Do you see how fucking stupid you sound?

Bigots, Nazis, and hate mongerers of all sorts do not deserve to be heard or seen by civilized society. They deserve to be excluded, banished from society, and preferably taken out back to put the rest of us out of their misery.

Show threadexapsyJul 11, 2023

  • Please be more respectful to my opinion. I’ve got mine you’ve got yours. I didnt call your opinion stupid and neither I won’t. Don’t start a hostile conversation. I’m not here for that.

  • Yes, allow them doesn’t mean allow them to say whatever they want to say. Hatespeech like “I hate you because you’re white/black/chinese/whatever ethnicity” or “you’re a white nazi fuck” or “you’re a black scum” is obviously non-constructive hate-speech that does not provide any value. It only makes everything around you worse and brings more chaos and protests and riots.

    • Allow them to co-exist means allow-them to co-exist peacefully, by common rules that do not provide hate-speech to each other and provide our opinion in a respectful manner. Unlike you do for example. You literally shout to give your opinion with CAPS LOCK and just called my opinion stupid . Do you know how you sound to a reasonable person? Aggravated. Disrespectful and most of all uneducated. Because you do not know how to provide your opinion in a respectful manner. I’m not trying to insult you, it’s just that’s how uneducated people say their opinion. By shouting at each other. And the result? Is nothing. Just more frustrated people around you and you go home, play at your PS5 Shadow of the Colossus once again, and take your anger on the console and next day begins. But the anger still lives inside you and maybe to the other person you just spoke to as well. You achieved nothing constructive, you’re just goading.

    Anyway. Someone living among us doesn’t mean living with their rules or saying whatever they want against anybody. Obviously Nazi-sht (yes it autocorrects it lol) and non-constructive conversations help nobody. Just like your attempt at calling my opinion stupid.

    Show threadFabioTheNewOrderJul 12, 2023

    Someone living among us doesn’t mean living with their rules or saying whatever they want against anybody.

    Lol and lmao, go tell this to the people living in Florida and Texas my dude.

    You centrists giving the same respect to any ideology passing before your eyes are really the most uneducated and useless people when talking about how to solve the extremism problem in our societies. You just argue to keep the status quo as it is or, even worse, to give more right to expression to people who would happily take this right away from you and everybody else should they reach any power at all.

    Please keep your opinion to yourself, there are people working to solve problems, they don’t need folks like you in their lives.

    Show threadWollffJul 12, 2023

    You’re not changing anything. You’re literally making things worse by banning them.

    I think this is the misunderstaning here. There is no “changing anything”. This is not the purpose of the exercise. The purpose of keeping certain views out of public discourse, is to limit their exposure, in the same way that quarantine limits exposure to infection.

    You can have a Nazi who sneezes his ideas into the minds of everyone on national television. That will infect a lot of people. Or you can have a Nazi who has no outlet, but meeting in a basement with his 5 friends, talking about Nazi things among themselves. Those are two extremes. Which is better? What situation should we aspire to?

    Of course we are not banishing Nazis from existence. But we are banishing Nazis from looking very cool on national television. If you let them, they will try to do that. Should we let them? What is the benefit in letting them do that?