Jure RepincJul 9, 2023

Facebook turns over mother and daughter’s chat history to police resulting in abortion charges

https://lemmy.ml/post/1874733

Facebook turns over mother and daughter’s chat history to police resulting in abortion charges - Lemmy

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/1874605 [https://lemmy.ml/post/1874605] > A 17-year-old from Nebraska and her mother are facing criminal charges including performing an illegal abortion and concealing a dead body after police obtained the pair’s private chat history from Facebook, court documents published by Motherboard show.

Show threadDioxyJul 9, 2023
What year is it
Show threadChippyrJul 9, 2023
She was 7 months pregnant. That baby is viable outside the womb in many scenarios. It’s disgusting to abort a child at that point. The local law allows abortions up to 5 months into the pregnancy (20 weeks). That’s plenty of time to make a decision, and a pretty liberal allowance. Prosecution of this mother and daughter is justified and there is nothing wrong with Meta complying with the info request.
Show threadTopRamenBinLadenJul 9, 2023

Thanks for adding some nuance that people might miss if they just read the headline. This girl broke some long established abortion laws by aborting at 7 months like you said. She is definitely in the wrong here,

At the same time, I don’t like meta for violating people’s privacy and working with law enforcement. Make law enforcement do their own jobs.

Still, I don’t feel sorry for them. These women definitely dug their own hole. You think it would be obvious to people by now to not talk about illegal things on any social media, especially meta.

Show threadParsnipWitchJul 10, 2023
You would want to force a 17 year old (or any person) to go through pregnancy and childbirth because you personally feel that’s the right thing to do? What about her rights? Does she lose them by getting impregnated? Because that’s what you are wanting to enforce.
Show threadTopRamenBinLadenJul 11, 2023
No not at all. Just don’t get an abortion at 7 months. Literally doctors won’t do it because it’s unethical at that point. Did you even read the article? Like she took a bunch of drugs illegally to abort a fetus that could just about live outside the womb.
Show threadParsnipWitchJul 11, 2023
But why is that a choice society makes for her body? I have asked that elsewhere but never get an answer from people who feel women should be forced to childbirth at a certain point: do you think people should be forced to donate organs?
Show threadTopRamenBinLaden

I don’t know why you are bringing up forced childbirth. I already said I was pro choice, and I am even antinatalist.

She made the choice to not abort until 7 months. Thats the problem here. At a certain point the fetus is considered a human and you cross the line into murder. Medical science has determined that point to be around 5 months. I believe women should have every right to abort before the point the fetus is considered conscious.

No doctor in first world countries would perform that abortion unless the mothers life was at risk. I don’t know why you can’t see the nuance here.

Jul 11, 2023 at 6:39amWeb
Show threadParsnipWitchJul 11, 2023
It is still forced childbirth, obviously, because what else are you suggesting? You think after a certain point in pregnancy a woman should have to birth the child so others can adopt it. After a certain point you think the woman loses the right to chose for her own and now society has the right to dictate that she has to continue being pregnant and birth the child. I think it is important to fully realize that this is the consequence of your reasoning.
Show threadTopRamenBinLadenJul 11, 2023
Okay well once you have created a human it is no longer a choice to kill it. Yes you are forced to give birth to a child at that point due to not getting an abortion before you created a human. Why don’t we allow abortions up to 2 years? There’s not a big difference between a 7month old fetus and a 2 year old.
Show threadParsnipWitchJul 11, 2023
Then I guess you are for forced organ donations as well.
Show threadTopRamenBinLadenJul 11, 2023
Okay well once you have created a human it is no longer a choice to kill it. Yes you are forced to give birth to a child at that point due to not getting an abortion before you created a human. Why don’t we allow abortions up to 2 years? There’s not a big difference between a 7month old fetus and a 2 year old.