Canadian judge rules the thumbs up emoji counts as a contract agreement

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Canadian judge rules the thumbs up emoji counts as a contract agreement - Lemmy.world

A Canadian judge has ruled that the popular “thumbs-up” emoji not only can be used as a contract agreement, but is just as valid as an actual signature. The Saskatchewan-based judge made the ruling on the grounds that the courts must adapt to the “new reality” of how people communicate, as originally reported by The Guardian.

what about: “👌”
I feel like that's even more of an agreement than a thumbs up.
👉👌
If you add a dollar sign, you will be jailed due to prosecution laws.

I wonder if they will take emoji cultural context into consideration? What about subcultures?

To my metal friends, 🤘 that could be yes. Hippy-ish folx hit me with ✌️

I think the Irish story mentioned that the farmer was already using the thumb’s up emoji previously to accept contacts.
Sorry, it said that he was using text messaging to accept contracts, not emoji.
Not quite the emojis, but one or two-word texts. Judge just decided that it was at least 51% likely that the emoji in this particular case amounted to the same thing.
Not fully knowing how Canadian government operates, can this be appealed beyond the provincial jurisdiction?
Yes, there is a three tier hierarchy of courts iirc, and this is the lowest. This is truly the most ridiculous thing I've read today; the Judge will be a laughed off the bench, and rightly so.

Well firstly case ruling is more thumbs up emoji does count in this very specific case*. It isn’t universal ruling, but very specific ruling tied to the circumstances of the case regarding existing business relationship, previous communication about the contract, the actual sending of contract and then being asked to confirm he is happy with the actual final contract and confirms it. Process that had happened many times before regarding various produce delivery contracts. Only this time he messaged back thumbs up instead of writing into the chat “Yeah, I agree”, “that contract is okay” or so on.

They now argue, no i just thumbed up on “I received the file”. But court said, you were specifically asked to confirm and displayed positive signal. Reasonable person could assume you meant “Yes, I confirm”.

So no not every thumbs up is contract agreement. Someone sends you out of the blue a contract and you message back thumbs up, it isn’t contract agreement. context matters.

Yes, exactly. The prior three contracts had been agreed to, evidenced by the fact that they actually delivered flax, with "looks good," "okay," and "yup." Small jump to a thumbs-up emoji.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBDskB84_r0

Here is a video by a Canadian Lawyer explaining the case.

How An Emoji Cost A Farmer $82,000 -- A Lawyer Explains

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I'm relieved that he more or less agrees with what I posted earlier this week. When you successfully perform three straight contracts after texting a word or two to agree, but then try to say that the emoji is a bridge too far, you're playing with fire, especially when it would benefit you for this particular one not to go through because the price went up.
Canadian judge rules thumbs-up emoji can represent contract agreement - technology - kbin.social

Without the prior completed contracts I might’ve agreed that he was just acknowledging receipt, but the precedence set the stage for the emoji.
Can’t wait for Italian judge to rule 🤌 as a contract agreement.

We live in a time where a contract can be signed thusly:

👁️👄👁️👍

What a time to be alive. Say, is that cryogenically preserved millionaire still… ye’know, preserved?

The case involved a grain buyer sending out a mass text to drum up clients and a farmer agreeing to sell 86 tons of flax for around $13 per bushel. The buyer texted a contract agreement to the farmer and asked for the farmer to “confirm” receiving the contract. He issued a thumb’s up emoji as receipt of the document, but backed out of the deal after flax prices increased.

The buyer sued the farmer, arguing that the thumb’s up represented more than just receipt of the contract. It represented an agreement to the conditions of the contract, and a judge agreed, ordering the farmer to cough up nearly $62,000, likely causing a string of puke emojis.

What a bunch of horseshit. I can see a thumbs-up emoji being used as an explicit sign of confirmation, but even in the context, the farmer never indicated any willingness to sign the contract. Receiving a contract and signing a contract are two entirely different things.

In this case the article is missing the crucial information that the farmer had used phrases such as "looks good", "yup" and "ok" when agreeing to previous contracts. So the thumbs up was seen as a continuation of those, and not as a new agreement.
Canadian judge rules thumbs-up emoji can represent contract agreement - technology - kbin.social

On three proper occasions, the broker had sent a contract in basically the same way with basically the same vague “did you get it” language.

The farmers responded with “looks good,” “okay,” and “yup.” Every time, they delivered the flax. The only real difference was the move from “ok” to an emoji indicating the same sentiment. In a case like this, you have no choice but to go with who’s more likely to be right between two parties making their arguments, and it’s completely reasonable to side with the broker here.

The judge also explicitly stated that this is not a general decision for the use of the emoji and that it should be assessed on a case-by-case basis.

Court made the correct call. I don’t see much difference between this case and a verbal agreement.

If someone sends you a contract, you don’t acknowledge receipt with “sounds good” because you would rightly be taken as agreeing to the terms.