Elizabeth Tai | ζˆ΄η§€ι“ƒ πŸ‡²πŸ‡ΎJul 7, 2023
As an ethnic Chinese... anti-China rants wear you out eventually.
It is the land of my ancestors after all, and it hurts to see people not understanding my culture.
I usually dont engage in such posts. But today it just felt a bit much. I want to yell at people to stop rattling their sabers cos as a South East Asian, it is scary to see the citizens of US so anti-China. Do you know what's going to happen to us if war is sparked in this region?
Show threadElizabeth Tai | ζˆ΄η§€ι“ƒ πŸ‡²πŸ‡Ύ

It is not that I am pro-China. It is that I am seeing history repeat itself.

I see Americans being groomed to by their media and government to hate China so that when war breaks out, they will support it.

I mean, I believe most Americans are level-headed folks & some did protest the Iraq war. I hope they will protest a conflict with China.

I wish people will spare a thought on how a conflict will affect South-East Asians. Heck, I don't think the world will even survive this.

Jul 7, 2023 at 4:59pmWeb
Show threadEvgeny LepekhinJul 7, 2023

@liztai there's a caveat:

> I believe most Americans are level-headed folks & some did protest the Iraq war. I hope they will protest a conflict with China.

Not sure if we will ever hear the voice of level-headed people. They don't own the media.

Show threadElizabeth Tai | ζˆ΄η§€ι“ƒ πŸ‡²πŸ‡ΎJul 7, 2023
@evgenylepekhin yea. And seeing how the Iraq war went ahead despite protests I don't have much hope it will have any impact.
Show threadEvgeny LepekhinJul 7, 2023

@liztai I am from Russia, so for the past two years I learned a lot about propaganda and war.

I have no illusions about media and their role in modern wars. They assign labels of bad guys and good guys. They simplify, they make you choose sides.

Media serve these carnivals of death. Because independent media don't exist. Everyone works for someone.

Show threadBruce SpencerJul 7, 2023
@liztai
When I was a senior in college I traveled out of the U.S. for the first time on student exchanged, and learned that the preconceptions I'd been fed were all wrong, that the vast majority of people are good. You'd think that, since the world has become effectively smaller because of the Internet, that we'd all understand each other better and get over being manipulated by politicians, get over the hate that feeds war, but no, we still fall for that hate language.
Thanks for your post Elizabeth.
Show threadElizabeth Tai | ζˆ΄η§€ι“ƒ πŸ‡²πŸ‡ΎJul 7, 2023
@Neidfyre I actually expected to be attacked for this post, but felt like I needed to add a non-American perspective instead of staying silent out of fear. Thanks for reading, and being kind.
Show threadnateJul 8, 2023

@Neidfyre

@liztai

I'm still hoping eventually the world feeling smaller with the internet will kick in, but I'm guessing we'll have to wait until Millenials & Gen Z is in office for that to happen

Show threadElizabeth Tai | ζˆ΄η§€ι“ƒ πŸ‡²πŸ‡ΎJul 8, 2023
@nate_ @Neidfyre I actually worry about that because they seem very reactive lol. I'm Gen X and we are mostly, "why can't they stop complaining and get to work".
Show threadBruce SpencerJul 9, 2023
@nate_ @liztai
I hope you are right about the Millenials and Z, but reality is often not what it's seems. I'm a boomer (and very liberal minded) and I was surprised to see some of the statistics in this article - Z (at least in the U.S.) has very open (independent) minds, but it's difficult to tell how they will turn with age -https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/08/us/baby-boomers-gen-z-cec/index.html
Show threadScott KillenJul 7, 2023
@liztai
I am anti-conflict in general. Peace is better for everyone. Conflict is better for politicians.
Show threadElizabeth Tai | ζˆ΄η§€ι“ƒ πŸ‡²πŸ‡ΎJul 7, 2023
@scottkillen I agree! And I bet lots of people in China feel the same.
Show threaddrtsJul 7, 2023
@scottkillen @liztai Agreed that the only sensible position is not anti-China nor is it pro-China, it's anti-war. The only game where nobody wins and everybody loose.
Show threadElizabeth Tai | ζˆ΄η§€ι“ƒ πŸ‡²πŸ‡ΎJul 7, 2023
@drts @scottkillen exactly. That was what I was trying to get at
Show threadJohnWJul 7, 2023

@scottkillen @liztai

There was an Anime that I watched recently, and one of the quotes stuck with me. "war wins elections". It couldn't be more true.

Show threadElizabeth Tai | ζˆ΄η§€ι“ƒ πŸ‡²πŸ‡ΎJul 7, 2023
@the_Effekt @scottkillen huh. True that! US election around the corner too
Show threadJohnWJul 7, 2023

@liztai @scottkillen

I know. And each election becomes more trite and contentious. It's like they are acting out a drama just to keep everyone interested.

Not to mention, the best candidate choices are always squashed so they have no chance.

Cycle after cycle I vote Dem, but under protest. I want badly to see ranked choice voting.

[Edit: Sorry for getting off topic. πŸ˜… , I'll do better next time]

Show threadElizabeth Tai | ζˆ΄η§€ι“ƒ πŸ‡²πŸ‡ΎJul 7, 2023
@the_Effekt @scottkillen I think it is on topic. This is kinda like Malaysia, where racist rhetoric will amp up before election. (Some Malaysians vote by race)
Show threadAdam FortunaJul 7, 2023

@liztai I wonder how much of this is generational too. At 40 years old, the only β€œjustified” war in my lifetime was Afghanistan, and that was a clusterfuck by Americas own making from the 80s, combined with modern day revenge.

I don’t think most people my age or younger support or trust the government when it comes to war mongering.