Why are there no "adults only" places anymore?

https://poptalk.scrubbles.tech/post/63097

Why are there no "adults only" places anymore? - PopTalk

A bit of a rant, pre-sorry but so sad and annoyed right now. Went to my favorite barber shop today. It’s built on being nice, upscale, and men’s haircuts. They do the works, good cuts, beard trimming/shaping, hot towel, the whole thing, and it’s built to be man’s place, they have a pool table, they have a couple of kegerators, they’ll pour you a whiskey while you wait. Very nice. (Note I say man’s but really if you’re a woman/any other gender and you like that sort of thing, then awesome. I mean man in the masculine sense) Until recently this was my favorite place, but apparently it’s gotten on the mom groups online and now the last few times I’ve gone it’s just filled with children and moms. Where I could go and get a whiskey while I wait and find someone to shoot pool with, now kids are literally running around and as for the pool table they’re just throwing the balls around. Meanwhile the moms are either talking with each other or hovering over Bradley getting his hair cut and how cute it is. On top of it all, because there was a group of them instead of my normal 20 min wait it was almost a 2 hours wait. I just walked out. I’m just so tired of it, this place obviously was built for adults but god forbid we have any adult places that aren’t “actually meant for children”. I mean obviously it was built for children, there’s 2 kegs and a shelf of nice scotch but yes, bring all of your children here. How come every place that used to be for adults is now a child zone? My favorite breweries used to be great places to let off steam after work and now I have kids playing tag in the middle of them. I flat out don’t go to movies anymore because even the super late showings are just dumping grounds for inattentive parents to leave their kids. And god forbid you ever mention outside a community like this that you want to drink a beer without a kid running around or you’re literally the devil who should be shunned. Anyway, this isn’t going anywhere specifically, I’m just really sad, and I didn’t get my haircut today.

That’s just bad business sense if they allow that to continue.
Except it sounds like it is tremendously busy and probably coining in the cash.
Sometimes it’s not just about profits. Something a lot of companies could stabd to learn.
Principles don't pay the bills
They do if the principles maintain an environment your customers can tolerate, thus keeping your customer base intact instead of seeing them go somewhere that doesn't have kids running around everywhere.
Who is bringing in more money, the people with the kids or without?
2 hour wait>20 minute wait. Unless the owner gets upset, the kids stay.
My school principal never had trouble with her bills...
Exactly the type of comment capitalism wants you to perpetuate
This is the first answer in the whole chain that has made sense to me. Regardless of what type of parenting philosophy people subscribe to, businesses are going to do what makes money. It doesn’t matter what everyone thinks is right or wishes would happen.
Right? They have a schtick that differentiates them. Keep it going.
I get you. I also hate kids running around. I understand they’re kids and they don’t know better, but their moms don’t even care. That’s the problem because the kids never learn to respect other people’s space.
Didn’t we all run around as kids? Turned out fine.
That's not what they meant and you know it

And if you say ANYTHING, even politely, the mother gets offended. I was once on a plane trip where I desperately needed to get sleep before driving home from the airport, and I was next to a mother who gave her son a very noisy toy. He kept banging it against the seat constantly, and I said please. I said "Could you please play quietly?" and she gets mad at me. "He's only 6."

Eventually the kid caught on that I had a terrible headache and quieted down, but his mother didn't even say a word to him to ask him. I told him "Thank you for playing quietly" afterwards and ignored her.

@scrubbles not childfree getting involved 😭

anyway it's a mixed bag. on one hand I understand the business sees an opportunity to make more money, and people with kids do still need haircuts, but it does also suck ass to have your moment of peace taken away

I wish childcare was taken more seriously, maybe people would run errands without bringing their screaming children

It’s the people that changed. It used to be common sense. There were places parents knew that you just didn’t bring kids. But now, parents are taught to be entitled. They demand to bring kids everywhere.
Yep… can you imagine how entitled the children of entitled parents are going to end up. It’s a bleak future.

It's more likely to swing back the other way, in my experience. Entitled parents use their children as a weapon in public, but the attention often stops in private, when the parents want "me time" and still have a burdensome kid to take care of. The kid grows meek and people-pleasing to earn the parent's positive attention and grows emotionally stunted because "crying makes mom and dad mad, emotions are shameful."

It's still an absolute mess of course, but once a parent who shouldn't be a parent reaches a certain level of entitlement, the damage done causes things other than more entitlement.

Well…. I only feel a little bit bad in saying that I hope you’re right.
As a parent I don't understand that need to bring the kids everywhere. I don't want my own kids running around while I'm trying to enjoy "adult" activities let alone any one else's.

I’m trying to enjoy “adult” activities

But that’s the point. They don’t want to enjoy adult activities. They want to inflict their own misery to everybody else.

It still blows my mind when I go to a brewery on a fuckin weeknight and there are kids everywhere at 9 pm. I don't get it.

I’d suggest that a minor contribution to this would also be stagnating wages; inflation; and increased cost of childcare. Now the ‘adult’ activities we want to enjoy are more expensive; we’re earning less money (in real terms); and childcare is more expensive, leading to a lot of people on the lower end of the socioeconomic spectrum to be faced with the choice of ‘take your kids or don’t go at all’.

I definitely agree with you though. Western societies have been becoming more individualistic and entitled and that’s likely the biggest cause. I just don’t think it’s the only cause. As with everything in life, the reasons why something happens are usually varied and can rarely be boiled down to one thing.

Individual selfishness is responsible for… People having children, raising them, and bringing them places?

Am I insane or does that just on its face not make any sense?

Your first paragraph is the actual reason here. It’s too expensive for a lot of parents to get a babysitter, so they need to bring their kids with them if they want to go do something. And for many people like me who work from home (I don’t have kids yet but the point stands) that one night every week or so that we go out to dinner is basically the only time I go to do anything fun outside the house that isn’t working out. When I worked in an office (which I ever want to do again) I’d go out to lunch with coworkers and occasionally do a happy hour after work, but that isn’t an option anymore.

If I had kids we’d be bringing them with us when we go out because it would be significantly cheaper than hiring a sitter for a few hours.

Individual selfishness is responsible for… People having children, raising them, and bringing them places?

Am I insane or does that just on its face not make any sense?

It has always been cheaper to bring a kid with you to something to hire a sitter.

Previous generations seem to have understood that having kids means you don’t get to do all the things you want to do all the time. Or, doing so will cost however much a sitter cost.

But, as an example, I was in a comically expensive restaurant not too long ago to celebrate a friend graduating law school. (Appies are 30+, entrees range in the 50s and it would be gauche to only get an entrees.) But, even in a lovely place some parents decided to bring their screaming child much to everyone else’s delight. The cost of a sitter would’ve been less than either of their meals, their wine or a fraction of what his suit cost. But they decided to keep that money and inflict their child on the rest of us. To me, that’s selfish.

The only truly adults only spaces are bars (like a bar, bar. Not the damn brewery restaurant) and nightclubs.

They suck in other ways without having children running amok, tho.

I hate that breweries have changed to family restaurants. Because all of the family restaurants weren’t enough, they had to come for breweries too.

I mean, most people are going to raise kids at some point in their life.

I entirely get people who don't have kids around wanting to have establishments with "no kids" rules. That's great, nothing wrong with having an establishment that caters to them. But I also think that people who have kids should have options that cater to them as well.

Right, like almost every other barber shop in the country. This was one barber shop out of dozens around me that are all labeled as “family friendly”, but this is still the one they chose to come to.

I hear this argument a lot but the fact is that most places are family friendly, but when a restaurant wants to be explicitly adult only it makes national news.

New Jersey Restaurant No Longer Allowing Children Under 10

A New Jersey restaurant is banning children under the age of 10. Many people have mixed feelings.

TODAY
You were talking about breweries rather than barber shops.
Actually you replied to OP who was certainly talking about a barber shop.
Not in the comment I responded to, he wasn't
since the api protest, reddit is all adults now. all the feces-smearing toddlers moved here
Wow, on here for 2 weeks and already -382 reputation points - you seem like a delightful fellow.
Damn. Even with the reputation points change they have that many negative points? I'm impressed.
it would be even more negative but I had a joke about blind people get 100 upvotes
bet you didn't see that coming
I guess no one saw the point of the joke
What's the joke... anytime you have to explain a joke it gets waaay funnier... go ahead
I bet I could do a hundred upvotes.
I started noticing them today and they are 80% if the troll posts I see. Surprised they aren't banned yet.
You seem to be the worst of them all

all the feces-smearing toddlers moved here

Yes, and you're here shitting up the thread and smearing feces on everything.

That explains why you’re here then

I'm genuinely curious. Why are you here if you're just gonna complain about it constantly?

Do you intend your comments as humorous and I'm just not 'getting it'?
Like is it some weird trolling thing that gets you off?

I realize the chance that I get a honest answer is next to nil, but I'm still curious what you'd say.

It's exactly that. Some people literally get off - as in they get sexually excited and then jerk off - by upsetting other people. I mean, I don't think they do it because it's something that turns them off. They want a quick easy fix, and saying offensive shit takes little effort. All it requires is the ability to type with one hand.
I don't mind a well behaved young child at a brewery during the day. But running and playing tag inside is not okay. Especially if it's busy.
Sounds like OP has met bad parents? There are lots of them and they make shitty kids who run around like demons.

I’ve seen kids who sit quietly at a brewery coloring. They are definitely the minority but it does happen.

What happens all the time are parent who think their kid is in the well behaved minority. I have yet to meet a parent who isn’t convinced that their kid is “one of the good ones”

Hi! My kids can be holy terrors, i will admit that.

It's why we don't go to many places together, like shopping especially, whenever possible.

Kid friendly places are different.

Let's expand childcare so it's not so prohibitively expensive!
I don't even get why the mom groups would find it appealing - are the haircuts unusually good or cheap or something? Do the moms partake of the whiskey? There are hair salons just for kids, with Xboxes and everything - if you want to go somewhere and have your kids be able to run around like crazy people while they're getting haircuts, there are way better options.

Generally barber shops that serve alcohol are in very upscale parts of town and a haircut and beard trim after tip and tax is probably to be close to about $70 bucks. Generally.

I am also very confused why people would take their kids to one of these places.

Probably, because it's a good chill space that serves drinks and they can socialize with their friends while Little Billy gets his haircut.

The same things that appeal to OP would also appeal to many adults that have children, even if those things are of no benefit to the kids themselves.

And the sort of person who'd take a kid to a venue like that, while ignoring how disruptive their kid is to the people normally there - that demographic overlaps pretty heavily to folks who also are completely fine paying $70 for a kids' haircut, because their own cut & colour or beard sculpting run a couple hundred.

Sorry to hear, and this isn’t going to help much, but sometimes going childfree can be an economic decision. My favorite place to stay in Las Vegas is Circa, and one of its features are no kids allowed. I don’t mean no small children, or just no children in the casino, I mean no one under 21 is even allowed past the door, ID is checked. Not in the hotel, not in the restaurants, not in the pool. And it’s a great pool.
Too bad it was built non-union

I'm sorry that happened to you. Let the business owner know that all of those kids are ruining the vibe that you patronize their business for. Solving this problem could be as easy as the barber shop offering something like a kids day where they don't serve whiskey and instead serve lemonade or something, allowing that day to be the main kids day.

I think you don't see those adult only places much any more because to most they have outlived their usefulness. There are 2 factors behind this. First, there are far fewer children around nowadays than before. When everyone had multiple children, adult only spaces were necessary if anyone wanted to get anything done. The second, and honestly a great thing from a childfree point of view, is that between birth control and abortion, most people who do have kids genuinely want them. I suspect that most of the demand for those adult only spaces in the past was from people who were seeking peace from their own kids. Of course all parents need breaks from their kids, but ever noticed that the people who complain the most about their children are the ones who had them out of obligation rather than desire?

I have a kid and not by choice because even with birth control and abortion in a Christian family community you aren’t left with options.
aw that sucks. No one should have to have kids for lack of real choices. I hope your kid is cute and easygoing.