Derick Rethans

For a while I have stored my backups in S3. It's around 3 TB of data.

I'm looking forwards to a secondary service for a second back up.

Don't need fancy or GUI stuff, just the ability to upload from Linux CLI and/or API, with preferably a sync tool (think "aws s3 sync"), and an online tool to watch what's in it.

Any suggestions for places that aren't mega dodgy or do any kind of tracking? EU preferred too.

#Backups #AskFedi

Jul 6, 2023 at 5:51pmWeb
Show threadIan LittmanJul 6, 2023
@derickr Backblaze is US based but has a DC in...AMS I think? Similar idea for Wasabi, though I forget where they are. Both S3 compatible APIs. Scaleway is FR-based for a similar product, so maybe them?
Show threadQuentinJul 6, 2023
@derickr if you're still willing to use a S3-like protocol, I'd suggest Scaleway or Infomaniak object storage.
Show threadWalter EbertJul 6, 2023
@derickr I use Hetzner https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-box
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Show threadMatt BruntJul 6, 2023
@derickr Backblaze B2? It's S3 compatible and you can setup storage in the EU
Show threadStéphane 🏴‍☠️🐘👨‍💻🇪🇺🐧️Jul 6, 2023
@derickr I use BorgBase and I’m pretty happy with it. You can chose EU based storage but it’s a bit more complicated than “s3 sync”
Show threadLukas JansenJul 6, 2023
@derickr cloudflare R2 is using the exact same API/cli as AWS https://developers.cloudflare.com/r2/
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Show threadLarry GarfieldJul 6, 2023

@derickr I use rsync.net. It's a place you can rsync data over SSH. That's it, that's the service. Schedule it yourself with cron, etc. By far the cheapest service as of when I was reviewing options a few years ago.

I don't know if they have EU data centers, though.

Show threadArne BlankertsJul 6, 2023

@Crell @derickr rsync.net say 1.5 cent/gb/month with a 680 GB minimum order. That's 10+ USD/month. How is that the cheapest service by far?

Backblaze B2 is at $0.005/GB/Month, starting at 0.

We use B2 with restic as our offsite backup and usually pay like ~2.something USD per month..

Show threadLarry GarfieldJul 6, 2023
@theseer @derickr Interesting. Seems much has changed since I last price shopped. Several people are suggesting B2 so I'll have to look into them sometime.
Show threadArne BlankertsJul 6, 2023

@Crell @derickr I particularly like the combination with restic and its encryption. There are literally only useless binary blobs on the B2 storage, so I don't really care where in the world the stuff is physically hosted. Without my local encryption key, they can't do anything with it. Of course that also kills half of the service offerings by backblaze, but i don't need those ;)

Only of course requires you to keep an external backup of that key somewhere :)

Show threadRobert LemkeJul 7, 2023

@theseer @Crell @derickr Not object storage but maybe a good addition: We use Borg for encrypted off-site backups and it works great and silently creating backups in the background. Works for workstation and servers likewise. You can use Borgbase or host it your own, Hetzner's Storage Box offering supports Borg, too.

https://www.borgbase.com/
https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-box

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Show threadArne BlankertsJul 8, 2023

@robert @Crell @derickr What made you pick borg over restic? Just curious, because they seem to be quite comparable in features and how they operate.

We (obviously?) also automated the backup to run in the background: We have a daily rsync (keeping history backlog of 1W) onto a dedicated local harddisk and run restic from there to backblaze.

Show threadRobert LemkeJul 8, 2023
@theseer @Crell @derickr At the time I chose Borg I didn't know Restic and since I'm totally happy with it, I never looked back.
Show threadRobert LemkeJul 8, 2023
@theseer @Crell @derickr But: I don't know if Restic also offers the same kind of deduplication. That's quite impressive and allows me to keep certain backups for years.
Show threadArne BlankertsJul 8, 2023
@robert @Crell @derickr I wouldn't know either, but the restic design description sounds pretty promising in that regard: https://restic.readthedocs.io/en/stable/100_references.html#backups-and-deduplication :)
References — restic 0.15.2 documentation

Show threadDerick RethansJul 6, 2023
@Crell looks like they are in Zurich, so not quite EU.
Show threadTim DüsterhusJul 6, 2023
@derickr @Crell Does the location matter if it's encrypted (how it should be)? I'm also using rsync.net (via BorgBackup in their Zürich location).
Show threadDerick RethansJul 6, 2023
@timwolla @Crell Not much. Latency. But just don't want stuff in the US.
Show threadTim DüsterhusJul 6, 2023

@derickr @Crell rsync.net would be a US company. Hetzner's Storage Boxes (as mentioned elsewhere in the thread) would provide an equivalent service of "SSH-accessible ZFS filesystem" in Germany.

I just can't use Hetzner for backups, as I host my services at Hetzner and thus wouldn't have provider-redundancy for backups (e.g. for cases where the customer account is closed down or so).

Show threadAlister BulmanJul 6, 2023
@derickr A few others have already said B2/Backblaze. I used to have their backup service, & now have a few large files in B2 there.
Show threadAlister BulmanJul 6, 2023
@derickr Just double-checked, and it's 1x 28GB file, a partial snapshot of an old computer's backup. They occasionally charge me 64cents, about every 7th month for it 😃 💾🔥
Show threadMinDBreaK 🏴‍☠️Jul 6, 2023
@derickr OVH Object Storage maybe ? EU based with a usually a strong policy for data privacy ? (And S3 compatible)
Show threadJakub KoneckiJul 6, 2023

@derickr I have an 'old' server (iCore 7 9th gen) in the attic with RAID 10 array (4 x 20TB).

Since you already have an off-site copy, how about a non-subscription on-site one?

Show threadDerick RethansJul 7, 2023
@jkonecki I already have an on site one too. I just want a secondary off site.