L4sBotFrance passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone, spy on people
alexandrius“Liberal left” - suuuuure
Macron isn't left wing, even by international standards. He was an investment banker at Rothschild. La Republique En Marche is a centre or centre right party.
How is this even feasible on Android or iPhones? Are they going to force everyone to download Team Viewer or something?
CookieJarObserverUsually with Pegasus. And yes it works. Don’t ask about it.
How do you get Pegasus onto LineageOS or GrapheneOS? Especially on hardware with modem isolation?
Linux and similar Systems are harder to hack but not impossible, i cant tell more, cause i don’t know more.
On lineageos also just pegasus. Only thing that makes it better than stock android is that you have more chances for security patches. Dumno about graphene, it has some additional protections, but still susceptible to some vulnerabilities of android.
FartsWithAnAccentSame way you do with everything else: Exploits.
Oh my sweet summer child
SpiracleWhile this news article is, apparently, not trustworthy, in general, France could demand every phone sold in the country include some kind of spyware. Many sellers already add a lot of programs by default anyway, so this would be how I image it might be implemented.
Given that a 7 people were recently arrested for using privacy respecting tools like the Signal messenger and Protonmail, removing that bloatware/spyware might then be cause enough to arrest you. After all, only terrorists want to have privacy, right?
Everyone causally saying the government can just do it with Pegasus is ignoring the fact that Pegasus itself is an exploit. It is a hack, to breach your personal device. If I used the same methods to get into a bank’s systems it would be a violation of the law. Same if I created this software and gave it to you for the same purpose. Ask yourselves why it would be permissible to sell this software then commercially? And, why is it permissible for the government to use it to hack your own devices. Let’s not just brush over this discussion like it’s nothing.
Nobody ignores the fact that government is doing something illegal when the conversation about their rampant spying happens. You may just be late to the party. We all know it’s illegal, unethical, and immoral. It basically comes down to this:
What are you going to do about it?
We’re living in objectively dystopian times. Our government does illegal shit literally all the time and gets away with it.
Deploy the 3300s
The whole world is going to shit
fearoutOk what the fuck? New protests this weekend I guess?
KekzkriegerBetter to not bring your phone during protests anyways.
guyrocketI would suggest getting one of those faraday bags that block the signals to/from the phone. Then, if you really need it, you can still use it.
If you get arrested during a protest, they can force you to unlock the phone (it can be a felony to refuse) , so better not to bring it at all.
hoodatninjaCompletely depends on the country. In the US courts ruled it violates the 5th amendment.
While true, they can still give you a hard time. If you simply don't have one they can't do much about that.
Better not use biometrics lol
They can force it then and good luck crying to the courts about it.
Completely depends on the country
Yes but this thread is about something happening in France, so I wasn't talking about US laws...
Yes this is why I said “completely depends on the country.” It is meant to be a helpful PSA.
Flying SquidThere is something to be said for bringing your phone to protests so you can livestream them to the world when the authorities use heavy-handed, violent tactics to stop them.
Naja KaouthiaWhile I agree that filming is important, it’s also important to remember that between the J6ers being dumb fucksticks and their social media site being absolute dogshit, a lot of them were caught because EXIF data wasn’t scrubbed. Having one’s phone with you could end up being the thing that gets you prosecuted.
Maybe the solution is to get a burner phone for protests? Because being able to livestream them is pretty important these days.
snooggumsIn all honesty, it would probably be best to have a dedicated device for that situation as well so that if they choose to search it then all they will get is the footage from the event.
A Google search for “France phone camera” only gives this posted link and dailymail.co.uk article, both of which are not really trustworthy sources, IMO.
So I’m gonna go with “this is very possibly fake news”.
Not fake. Just not really talked about in English, but it was mentioned in most French newspapers.
And sensitive professions including doctors, journalists, lawyers, judges and MPs would not be legitimate targets.
Rules for thee and not for me, unsurprisingly.
You got a lot of faith in google search engine chief ...
Any specific reason for this?
iAmTheTotThis article doesn't link to a single primary source.
BoababThere is so much news like this coming from France lately. What is going on over there?
TigbittiesHuge wealth gap. Poor people are treated like shit. They're are hungry and angry. Historically, the French are quick to protest and the rich are doing what they can to stop it. I believe we're getting a glimpse of what is going to happen all over the world soon.
Oh yeah, the infamous starving masses of France…
LOL!
My man’s clearly not been to Paris lol
FrostBoltLikely an overreaction to the current protests / social unrest / whatever you want to call it
tikitakiat least they're honest about it
i'd imagine they have the same ability here in the states they're just gonna advertise the fact
Patriot act + 2008 FISA Amendments Act.
See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM
It's not exactly a secret anymore, it's just that no one seems to care.
from what i understand, this gives the power to monitor communications like emails / text messages. which in my opinion is fundamentally different from turning on your camera or microphone.
having said that, I haven't read into this in depth so perhaps that was outlined previously
The NSA has a 'product' catalog called ANT:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANT_catalog
One example is DROPOUTJEEP, which allows near complete control over iphones, including their camera's.
France isn't part of FIve Eyes, but do have a secret deal with the US anyway:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lustre_(treaty)
(This is all decade old Snowden stuff, so I suspect their capabilities have expanded since then).
This being said, I assume much of what they do isn't exactly legal, so who knows. Given some of these treaties are secret, maybe they also have secret laws.
Media and normie stream are cool with it since they got nothing to hide.
Rest of us just pretend that using encrypted messengers do something which they do against bulk data collection but once they want your shit, they just compromise you device. So it is really more of a political statement at this point rather than real tool.
nearly half of computer-related engineers/developers/technicians/analyst who refuse to believe that this and other similar programs that snowden revealed on purely ideological grounds is a huge source of fuel for my misanthropy; the fact that they tend to be the most successful and/or well paid in my field (software development) is a several fold bigger source.
we're so fucked
AlmightySnoo 🐢🇮🇱🇺🇦Guess degoogled phones will soon be illegal then?
mycusWasn't a guy convicted on france not long ago and the deciding factor the judge used was because he used linux? WTF is going on there?
Linux and encrypted messengers too lol
If you don't share dick pic you sent to your partner with the spooks... You go to the gulag labour camp until you redeem yourself.
ToriborModern hardware is likely exploitable by state actors via firmware/hardware vulnerabilities that can’t be mitigated at a software level.
I mean how are they really going to stop FOSS? They’ll ban linux and then nobody can use the internet.
They don’t care about us. We sometimes forget we techies are a tiny fraction of the people they want under their boot.
If they can’t hack you they’ll get you other ways, if they want you.
Take solace that people in France and the USA aren’t falling out of windows every other day. Yet.
That’s a good reason to riot.
mrmanagerNice society we live in. All those sci fi movies was just giving ideas for the people who wants everyone to be under their boot.
We’re heading towards cyberpunk without the cool implants lmao
The US federal government has been doing this since the 00’s. Snowden exposed them and the public responded with hatred towards Snowden. Unfortunately the average citizen just doesn’t seem to care.
EggyheadNot public, propaganda. The public result was confusion and ultimately apathy.
𝐘Ⓞz҉Mostly boomers who don’t understand tech
That’s an erroneous understanding of our era. The younger generations are gods at liking and commenting on social networks, but they just don’t care about privacy. They flock like birds to litteral spyware just for a quick meme fix.
Not everything you think is wrong has to do exclusively with boomers.
I think it’s a bit of A and a bit of B. Boomers and younger gens have both embraced the rampant violation of privacy, particularly in the US.
France, yall okay with this?