Andrea Grandi 🦕Jul 6, 2023

I think defederating Threads is a huge missed opportunity for Mastodon to grow.

Imagine interacting with their users and letting them know that: you scroll posts without ads, your timeline is in chronological order, your client doesn’t spy on you, you only see what you want and no other content is pushed to your timeline, etc…

if I was a Threads users, I would move to Mastodon as soon as I find out 🙂

Show threadGlockenspiel

@andreagrandi That's fine and dandy until Meta does the inevitable and creates a walled garden of trusted communities and defederates from all else, no?

Meta has zero financial nor cultural motive to embrace the Fediverse as we understand it other than extinguish it. This is why they are linking your Threads account to Instagram and requiring that you delete Instagram in order to delete your Threads account. And they still are trying to sell us on the idea that their accounts are "portable?"

Jul 6, 2023 at 1:35pmWeb
Show thread(hic/haec/hoc)Jul 6, 2023
@glockenspiel @andreagrandi so the problem is that Meta could do in the future what you want every Mastodon operator to do now? I'm confused 🤔
Show threadnik0 Jul 6, 2023
@glockenspiel @andreagrandi What's the point of activitypub then if they're going to defederate themselves. Highly illogical and counter to their own intrests
Show threadMinameH❇️Jul 6, 2023
@ashiisbest @glockenspiel @andreagrandi The problem is that companies, authority systems, etc. use the freedom we still have to take your freedom away. So there are situations where you have to limit coomplete freedom to save it overall...
Show threadnik0 Jul 6, 2023
@Miname @glockenspiel @andreagrandi Yeah that still doesn't answer my question. Why defederate from the very same people you want to take and restrict their rights away? I mean I get the plan but I'd have to see first be implemented before I say anything in regards to it
Show threadDon Hawkins - W7DAHJul 7, 2023

@ashiisbest @Miname @glockenspiel @andreagrandi

https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html

How to Kill a Decentralised Network (such as the Fediverse)

How to Kill a Decentralised Network (such as the Fediverse) par Ploum - Lionel Dricot.

Show threadDon Hawkins - W7DAHJul 7, 2023

@ashiisbest @glockenspiel @andreagrandi

https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html

How to Kill a Decentralised Network (such as the Fediverse)

How to Kill a Decentralised Network (such as the Fediverse) par Ploum - Lionel Dricot.

Show threadIHeartHockey29Jul 6, 2023

@glockenspiel @andreagrandi

Probably a good enough excuse as any to delete IG. Our images are about to be scraped up to feed AI anyway.

Show threadDon Hawkins - W7DAHJul 7, 2023
@iHeartHockey29 @glockenspiel @andreagrandi you can import your IG images to PixelFed
Show threadjeSuisatire neindochohh ᘛ⁐̤ᕐᐷJul 6, 2023

@glockenspiel

> That's fine and dandy until Meta does the inevitable and creates a walled garden of trusted communities and defederates from all else, no?

They are actually going to do it the other way, only federating with trusted instances that signed an NDA first.

And no, you are not going to convince anybody @andreagrandi, they just don't care and are programed. Other wise they'd looked out for options like the fediVerse already.
Not to mentio that META would track and prevent this.

Show threadDaniel PervanJul 6, 2023

@glockenspiel @andreagrandi I think it's very likely that the reason why Meta is embracing ActivityPub is to be able to comply with the EU Digital Markets Act and the direction it's heading.

They do not care even the slightest about Mastodon or its userbase. We are essentially irrelevant. They care about getting an early strong position in the technology that will likely forcibly become industry standard in SoMe.

Show threadAndrea LazzarottoJul 7, 2023

@glockenspiel @andreagrandi you just confirmed that defederating an instance with a large user group (most of which are fine), just because you don't like the admin, leads to creating a walled garden.

You explained it even better than OP did. 😌