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Wow the Mastodon FAQ on Meta is a piece of work. Really short-sighted and apolitical.

"Will Meta embrace-extend-extinguish the ActivityPub protocol?"

1. Yes.
2. 'No, look at XMPP, that is still around' is the worst argument. XMPP is completely harmless and neutered with respect to challenging platform power. There are great people working on it and I use it daily for many years, but from a political perspective it is dead. It improves but is steadily years behind the curve with features. Momentum and perspective matter! It could have been turned around if an easy integration with Mastodon was made as it would have given Mastodon instances e2ee messaging, but that didn't happen. (Not too late for that yet btw!)
3. Here is how Meta will EEE ActivityPub:
It will start with Meta being the first ones that ship full account portability including post history. That is hard problem to solve decentralized, which is why we have it yet. But Meta won't care about that. They will just use Meta nameservers as a centralized identity provider which will make it possible. (Similar to how Bluesky does it btw. ) They are extremely well positioned to do this, FB is already "the identity platform" and there is regulatory pressure. From there on there will be increasing incompatibility and extensions on Meta's terms.

Jul 6, 2023 at 7:09amWeb
Show threadsome kind of orange shapeJul 6, 2023
@rra My reading on github suggested that the fact we don't currently have full post migration is due to performance and moderation concerns and not because there's an issue with the current way of proving you own both accounts. Is there something I'm missing?
Show threadDragan EspenschiedJul 6, 2023
@rra Link to that FAQ?
Show threadDeterioratedStuccoJul 6, 2023

@rra
"From there on there will be increasing incompatibility and extensions on Meta's terms."

Exactly as Microsoft has done, repeatedly, with IE.
The playbook exists already.

Show threadRishavJul 6, 2023
@rra excellent thread! I don’t know if eugen is seeking fame or is genuinely oblivious (I expect the former)
Show threadNikola Orsinov [Joseph Grimaldi]Jul 6, 2023

@rra
@joenepraat

It will start with Meta being the first ones that ship full account portability including post history.Nahhh why would they do that?
I mean sure they could implement importing of mastodon archive files, and not allow or make full export fo their data harder.

They will make you wait 30 days for your archive.

But honestly? Who is gonna move to threads? Everyone i care about on here wants to block Zuckerberg and strangle him to death.
We are not moving to threads. We refuse, don't we?

And as for "first" Calckey already supports full migration and import of mastodons outbox.json, AND is going to support imports from twitter at some point

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The "extend" part of EEE is the funniest:
We are way better at extending fedi than them

Again, we are the ones with markdown formatting and emojii reactions and custom emojiis etc.

Why would we care to implement whatever cringe ad extensions they push?

I think Gargron has at least that much integrity.

We are not gonna be profitable.
And we're gonna be a menace.
They'll toss us to the curb in a few months and more people will no about fedi!

And be exposed to @@ adresses!
Publicity win

And if it gets suspicious?
We block them.

I don't see how our anticapitalist mentality is changing, just because a company tries to harass us

I think this is winnable fr.
We're only gonna loose techbro users and Bourgeoisie influencers, and gain more catgirls that didn't know about us

I am naive but also soo excited what it will do to fedi

If there is anyone i care about on threads, i might follow them
And harass them to come to real fedi
I think thats the right move for our cause

Dw, i'll use a seperate account and wont boost üeople that don't consent to being used as bait for threads users

I'm rambling. You get the idea

Show threadjoene 🏴Jul 6, 2023

@orsinov OK, are we finished? This is going to look like reply-guying (x/v/m).

@rra

Show threadNikola Orsinov [Joseph Grimaldi]Jul 6, 2023
@joenepraat @rra i wont post anything else i promise

I hate how you treat me though, it's just a tinge insulting to be talked like that to your face.
Whatever.
Show threadBenJul 6, 2023
@rra Meta will have many advantages from being a big centralized server, identity, search, and engagement algorithms are among them. They will have other features that the fediverse won’t have. Maybe some of the features will be open to copy by extending the protocol. It’s still a business and design choice whether to do it or not. In the end this is a market where the best product will win (the most users). It’s been always like that and meta being more open makes it fairer.