How to Kill a Decentralised Network (such as the Fediverse)

How to Kill a Decentralised Network (such as the Fediverse) par Ploum - Lionel Dricot.

@C_Chell Does blocking it mean we can't follow anyone on there? Pretty disappointing if so. Seeing ActivityPub reach these heights is exciting to me and I look forward to following more people.

@LittleshyFiM It's more to do with blocking meta corp from collecting data on users and other instances and selling them to data brokers and the likes for profit with disregard to privacy and possibly influencing ActivityPub tech and other instances in some ways.

Corporations tried and are stilling doing the same with linux in some ways, anyway they can i.e patent trolling.

It sucks that we'd have to block users on those instances (which is not our intention), but we're doing this specifically to protect users and our instance from meta. That's not even getting into the reputation FB has for letting misinformation and extreme ideologies go rampant.

@Shredd_Tone That's sad to hear. I can't help but think locking things down so quickly and preventing people from following what they want to follow is the very thing Mastodon sought to combat.

Seems like most of the discussion about Meta Threads is basically saying Mastodon should have a whitelist instead of a blacklist when it comes to blocking servers. I'd hate to see things go in that direction. I wish you all the best, but I'm probably gonna try out the migration feature and find a server which is more open soon.

@LittleshyFiM Well, we've always been open but we do have to block instances that are admin and modded by individuals to protect our user data bases. Google apps once blocked mastodon due to instances providing harmful content.

I.e we had to block instances that had been bully users for being bronies, which the admins didn't even care about. Plus other servers that provided child pornography, terrorism etc.

It's not a fun job, but something has to be done. If an instance is isn't taking it seriously or providing something that potentially cause harm to our users. Mastodon had been intended to stop corps profiting off data from their users. If people aren't comfortable with making nfts out of say a users artwork or song for profit, what difference would it make if they dox users for profit?

But having that said, whether you choose to go or stay, you'll always be welcome here to interact with us and I wish you all the best.

@Shredd_Tone I definitely appreciate the hard work that goes into moderation and keeping a community safe. That is certainly not what I was alluding to when I expressed desire for a more open server.

Is blocking Meta Threads a moderation matter? I thought it was more of an ideological protest. A protest which hurts the Fediverse a lot more than it hurts Meta in my opinion. They couldn't care less if we block them, but we miss out on reaching more people and helping ActivityPub break into the mainstream. Although I imagine there are moderation concerns too, most of the reasoning I've seen so far seems very vague and impractical. Even the official Mastodon blog seems optimistic about Threads. Not that they, I, or anyone already on Mastodon thinks people should have a Meta account to use it of course.

@LittleshyFiM @Shredd_Tone If there is one thing we can learn from the past it's that you can't let a single entity get too much control in a federated network.

Sorry but Meta Threads could single handedly get the majority of the user base which would let them dictate changes to the protocol. "Enhance" it. The rest of the network would have to constantly adapt to be compatible with Metas implementation. After a while the Fediverse won't even get recognized anymore. The majority will only know Threads. And at that point Meta will probably just cut the Fediverse integration.

It's the standard embrace, extend, extinguish pattern that we constantly see beeing applied by big corporations against open source projects. And sadly it often works.

Meta Threads is a threat for the Fediverse. Not an opportunity. The only winning move here is to not let them play.
@interru @LittleshyFiM @Shredd_Tone On the other hand, if we block every bigger player that wants to integrate into fediverse, fediverse will never grow out of its corner, and those others might build their own, being the succesful fediverse after all.
Imagine e-mail with "no you cannot mail to gmail because google is evil" or a webbrowser that doesn't work on facebook.com.
@404compliant @LittleshyFiM @Shredd_Tone It depends on the size difference and whether that company can be considered a bad player. The potential user base of a meta product might be enormous. It could crush the Fediverse in several ways.

I didn't say anything against Tumblrs announcement to support ActivityPub because I don't consider them a bad player. Especially since it's owned by Automattic.

Gmail is an interesting example because Gmail is known as a bad player in the e-mail ecosystem. Postfix had to add numerous workarounds because of Gmail specific quirks and Google absolutely doesn't cooperate. So on a standard abiding system you already are unable to send a mail to Gmail. Google is already pulling the "play by our rules" move.

So why isn't Google fully succeeding in this EEE attempt? That's because e-mail went corporate (e-mail is used by systems that probably won't see any change in the next 15 years) and there a multiple players attempting to EEE e-mail at the same time.

@LittleshyFiM @Shredd_Tone It's a protective measure against Meta's aggressive data harvesting, and an attempt to stop the Fediverse becoming another algorithm-driven hate-filled cesspit like Facebook.

If people wanna see that stuff, go to Facebook. If you want a social media experience that protects its users and isn't driven by corporate greed (so typically anti-LGBT, heavily right wing and so on and so forth), Meta needs to be kept out for good