OduseiRiots in France have already cost businesses more than $1 billion | CNN Business
Good. The ruling class need to face consequences or they’ll never learn.
Yeah, I'm sure that little mom and pop patisseries sure are keeping the boot on the neck of the little guy.
I doubt bakeries get targeted lol cute try tho
Gucci and LV shops... Fuck 'em, who cares haha
Protesters have looted 200 stores and destroyed 300 bank branches and 250 smaller corner shops.
Quote from article. Must feel like a huge stab in the back when your shop gets run over and looted by fellow countrymen.
Yeah... Government fucked up and the rich let it
deafboyWhat exactly will they learn? They will just pick up the scraps and open shops elsewhere. The only loosers will be the “protestors” too poor to move, while unable to get a job in the wasteland they helped to create. Because no business will dare to open a shop on a street where public burnings are as comon as summer rain.
Ruling class is laughing their arses off while watching working class destroying itself. And then they will buy out all the damaged properties for pennies from bankrupt locals. Great consequences!
They’re actually very scared. They are beguing to send the army. Fortunately the government still has one functioning neuron.
The only thing I reapect about fr*nce is their protest culture
Jk jk I’m sure there’s other stuff like baked goods or whatever. Great job with the riots guys.
RonnoGreat job? They destroy and loot their own cities in name of “protest”. This is not a protest, this is shameless looting and destruction.
It is their cities and they do as they please.
Government needs to learn the good old classic...
Fuck around, find out.
Yeah they are really showing the government ... I feel sorry for the innocent people that lost so much due to this "protest". People's cars burned down, family owned businesses had their shops looted and cannot make any money for the next couple of weeks, people relying on public infrastructure cannot use it.
Yeah... You don't feel this for ded kid tho.. Am I right?
God forbid profits got hurtz
It is sad that the kid got shot, but lets not pretend he was innocent.
Was he convicted in the French criminal court system and sentenced to death as the legally mandated punishment?
What in the deep fried fuck are you smoking?
Death by cop is not how th justice system there is supposed to work.
artisanroxI feel sorry for the innocent people that lost so much due to this "protest".
no you don't
Oh yes, the governemnt will tremble in fear, looking at the people destroying their own streets, while watching them from thr top of the ivory tower. :D
Cope pussy
This is not a protest, this is shameless looting and destruction.
You guys have the same talking points wherever you are.
If you fk around trying to wind back social benefits to please like 5% of top incone receivers you FIND OUT when they break stuff.
the vast MAJORITY of breaking stuff has been proven in the US to be right-winger provocateurs.
You are aware that the shops and infrastructure they are destroying have no influence on social security nor policy, right? You are also aware that most shops are family owned businesses that already struggle to make ends meet, and face similar issues as the people rioting? There are ways to protest and revolt against a government, that don't include stealing or breaking public infrastructure. I don't get why people think stealing is warranted when you tag protest on it.
This WHOLE ENTIRE talking point, in effect, takes away from THE POINT OF THE PROTEST.
The points of the protest are the eroding of everyone's quality of life because of an uppermost class AND THOSE WHO SUPPORT THEM
I thought this was about police violence? But sure. Oh and p.s, from a rational point of view, the pension age cannot stand as is, and must be increased to ensure pension for all
Oh and p.s, from a rational point of view, the pension age cannot stand as is, and must be increased to ensure pension for all
This terrible opinion is why you keep hitting that "BUT THE LOOTING11!1" lever lol
Oooooooorrrrrrrrrr, we can tax the fuck out of the 1%.
I am not the OP here but this is an example of how the narrative shifts when the demonstrators shift to property damage. This is why the right grows during periods of unrest. They use it to justify more oppressive policies and they get the support of those small businesses and community leaders. It is an immensely consistent trend throughout history. Even the American Revolution, so often touted as a natural course of events, did not gain popular support until the Boston Massacre (Only killing six people and nobody knows who shot first)
Then maybe cops should stop killing innocent people and the government should not protect their paid murderers.
Why is the only possible solution aimed at the protestors and not the actual institutions that caused the protests to be necessary?
Don’t be such a pussy.
You’ll let people step all over you if you’re afraid to fight back.
If you don’t want to be a pussy, fight the people who wronged you. Fighting bystenders and their property makes you a coward.
Zis is ze way
DessertStormsWe could learn a thing or two from the French.
Did they actually get the reform scrapped in the end?
What a cesspit of racists promoting violence. I did not expect this. I expected people who value safety and civility. There are protests and there are riots. There’s justice and there’s setting fire to the mayor’s house, injuring his family. There’s a democratic state, and an angry mob destroying stuff. There’s innocent kid, and an unknown individual at the wheel of a ton of high-speed steel illegally in a city full of people. These “cars” by the way, have the biggest violent death toll in developed countries. Guns? Heck no!
I am so disappointed.
There are no safe and sane riots. This is how rioting goes. I don’t take part in riots, but I understand that it is the language of the unheard (much in the same way that war is “diplomacy by other means,” rioting is what happens when protests don’t work).
There were no protests. No lawsuits, no nothing. Straight to violence.
And people here actually believe that it’s good to hurt other people, as if that fixes the death of one person. Horrible in every way. Shameful and disgusting.
We spent four years at war over the death of one man, and twenty years at war over the deaths of three thousand.
And this was not the first blank person to be murdered in France by the police like this. The Parisians are responding to a pattern that has not been ended no matter how much they protest.
And this was not the first black person to be murdered in France by the police like this.
ok racist.
Pattern? What pattern? Do you have any public data to go with that statement, that shows a problem SO BIG with authorities that it justifies violence? In the last years, 15 people have been killed by police in such incidents. 8 police officers have been charged. Without knowing the details about the rest, how can you claim that it’s a systemic problem? You know what a systemic problem looks like? More than 2000 people were killed BY cars in the same period. THAT’s a systemic problem. For the scale of this problem however, peaceful protests calling for transparency in these cases, and other constructive demands, should be the reaction, and not this. This? This just shows that France is dealing with violence and gives many people the impression that it’s OK if police sometimes kill such violent people. I literally had this conversation with the other side, who tried to convince me that the rioters should be shot or something. 17 year old broke the law driving the vehicle, and recklessly tried to speed away from this. The police officer over-reacted (cars do kill people quite a lot) and should be investigated for manslaughter, but what should not happen is this. Why is it so hard to see? Why are y’all so trigger happy? Maybe because it’s not your house that was attacked and your family injured? Maybe because it’s not your neighbourhood which got trashed and your business looted?
How is it racist to have relevant data, like the fact the cop was white or the kid being black.
You make it seem like the race matters in this incident. As if a black person killed is different from a pink person killed. You have preferential treatment of problems based on skin color. That is racist.
Well, the people of France seem to think its part of the issue.
And you derive this conclusion on … what study or poll? Because there are instruments to measure that you know. It’s called voting.
Or are you referring to a violent loud minority and saying that it’s a majority?
Do you have any idea how many people are killed by the police when they are unarmed? Here it was blatent murder, and if it wasn’t for the video leaked on social media the cop would face absolutely no consequences.
Murderers place is in jail. When justice fail, the social contract is broken. When the social contract is broken, there is no peace or discussion.
Neither France nor the USA were built on peaceful protests. At some point, the idiot in charge has to understand how it goes.
Do you have any idea how many people are killed by the police when they are unarmed?
Fewer than armed people killing other people when the police isn’t there. If that ain’t true then obviously the police should be disbanded. And since you haven’t brought up any data, I will bring it, from the latest news. 15 incidents like that, in France, in the last year. And according to data I found for 2016, there were around 1500 total gun deaths (about 100 times more).
So yeah, I have an idea. Do you?
Here it was blatent murder
A person was killed. Whether it was murder or manslaughter, is not up to you to decide because you have no degree in law in France.
and if it wasn’t for the video leaked on social media the cop would face absolutely no consequences.
Ok, so the cop will face consequences now. Isn’t that the goal? Why hurt other people that have nothing to do with it? Your reasoning is completely absent here.
When justice fail, the social contract is broken
Who is gonna carry out justice for all the assholes that hurt people in these riots? Shall we play the escalation game just to satisfy your weird revenge boner?
When the social contract is broken, there is no peace or discussion.
So your solution is to escalate violence endlessly. slow clap
Neither France nor the USA were built on peaceful protests.
You don’t know history very well, do you? You’re comparing authoritarian regimes with democratic ones now.
Your data is considering suicides… And a cop killing someone is also a murder, so it will go in the stats of people killed by gunshot.
So yes, cops are actually responsible for 15% of murders in France with guns. We can also say that cops kill more than terrorism.
If you’re fine with this, there’s no point discussing further.
I explicitly said that I’m all for justice. You are being dishonest with your last statement, which is an emotional reaction that is completely unnecessary. Cool down.
So if your sources are correct, then when comparing the organization that should have the monopoly on violence, to how much violence they enact, it’s 15%,… it’s kinda dumb, isn’t it? It’s dumb to expect the organization with the monopoly on violence to enact an order of magnitude less violence than the “competitors”.
Man the monopoly of violence is certainly not the right to murder unarmed people! Do you realize what you’re saying?!
When other people murder far more people, is the police just supposed to watch it happen?
Is there an end to your naive idealism?
That’s not the question. Police stopping murderers doesn’t mean police has to become murderers too. If I’m naive or idealistic, you’re a fascist.
So how is the police supposed to stop murderers who threaten to murder them? Care to elaborate your ultimate wisdom?
Do you know there countries where the police is unarmed? It’s called civilization.
So you know that there’s places where you don’t exist? It’s called everywhere else, but unfortunately I’m stuck with a dishonest person who keeps on spewing fallacies.
sudoKiller Mike said it best,
Don’t criticize rioting because I understand it. But after the fires die down: organize, strategize and mobilize. Like Ferguson, you have an opportunity to start anew. I don’t have a solution because whoever’s there will have to come up with it. But we need community relations: Riots are the language of the unheard.
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He should be called Based Mike. There’s a stereotype of rappers being dumb, but they’re probably a lot smarter than they let on.
Maybe they shouldn’t have pushed the pension reforms if they didnt want to lose money?
It's not just about money, it's about workforce. Imagine being in a nursery, without nurses available. As for the money, you cannot expect society to pay for a specific standard of living for too long. The workforce must support the people that are not working. Now that we are getting older on average, it would mean that the workforce will have to support more non working people. Imagine that you retire at 60, but people now live on average to 80, which is increasing every decade now
There are really only two options here, increase retirement age, or increase taxes on the workforce. Take your pick.
Why can’t we tax the fucking companies?
Never said we can’t, we definitely should. But will it be enough?
Yes it would. If the 1% had to play by the same rules as everyone else and they paid their fair share of taxes it would be enough.
That’s a false dichotomy. There are many more options. Increasing the salary part of the gpd would increase the the base income the pension takes a part of. But salary part of the gpd has never been so low.
And no, increasing salaries would not grow inflation if companies take the money on the insane benefits they did these last years. Wages raise don’t make the inflation. Companies that increase prices to increase their benefits grow the inflation.