not to poop on rust but every time i find something frustrating, the justification is usually something like

"C++ programmers don't want nice things" and "If we made your life easier, we'd make the C++ people's life harder"

and that's fine and cool but y'know it would be great if C++ users went back to making C++ worse rather than ruin new things

[finger to ear] i'm hearing rust users can make things worse without any help from C++
@tef Makes me sad to hear that. I thought rust's was the one community trying to avoid the negativity and finger pointing. I'm a fan of much of the language but everything has flaws that must be acknowledged
@Skeptomai i know plenty of individual rust people striving for improvement but i also know several who have put down tools and moved on, so
@tef Yep. Are you seeing any pattern of where they are ending up?
@Skeptomai depression and burnout, mostly
@tef Shit. That's the worst outcome possible. I was hoping for "The grass is greener..."