David GerardJul 3, 2023
bluesky are hilariously evil as a company. rationalist vibecamp crypto bro dipshits with nazi pals. their USERBASE, however, is awesome. i expect the company is wondering how the hell they deal with being the land of queer shitposters who bully people like Ian Dunt off.
Show threadGlitch (over count 1999)Jul 3, 2023
@davidgerard they'll probably just proceed to alienate that userbase away with time by making incomprehensible project decisions.

honestly im mostly disappointed in those queer shitposters because if you're moving from birdsite to bluesky and stick around even once you know the hostile nature of the leadership... idk, it feels like at that point you're just a glutton for being alienated by big tech?

i mean if that gets them going sure, but i'd personally prefer a healthier approach.
Show threadDavid GerardJul 3, 2023

@glitch frankly bluesky works for the job in ways that mastodon just doesn't seem to.

all platforms will die, along with humanity and civilisation. shitpost while we can.

i'm actually surprised bluesky has remained fun this long.

Show threadGlitch (over count 1999)Jul 3, 2023
@davidgerard i guess, but i somehow still can find more respect for the people moving to say, cohost, than the people moving to bluesky.

like youre moving to a platform that's still centralized (cuz decentralization is one of those things only tech nerds like me care about, its something im willing to concede on) but at *least* you're not sitting with leadership that openly thinks the people who want you dead are a valid voice to be heard.
Show threadDavid GerardJul 3, 2023

@glitch i think you're fundamentally in error to treat the dynamics of the platforms as fungible. the observable evidence is they aren't.

also, "sitting with leadership that openly thinks the people who want you dead are a valid voice to be heard" is literally most of twitter's history

Show threadDavid GerardJul 3, 2023
@glitch like, you're sitting on mastodon telling people on another platform that they should move to your preferred platform, i'm sure you can appreciate they are unlikely to take that seriously
Show threadGlitch (over count 1999)
@davidgerard at least twitter has the excuse that people like jack were just genuinely stupid libertarians at the time who invented mass t&s over many years (which musk pissed away with the acquisition). same deal with reddit. to put it mildly, the average persons stance on moderation was a lot looser back then.

the idea of completely deplatforming only seriously took off as an "acceptable" opinion after it became clear how many social media sites were responsible for the mess that was 2016 US elections.

and no, like i said - i can bring up more respect for people that move to cohost (or heck, even back to tumblr if we're being honest here). i don't care if you move to fedi or not; for many people it's not the right answer and i get that. what i *can't* comprehend is why people would, after leaving a site because the owners openly despise them, move to a site where the owners would again equally despise them.

also - i realize you might be trying to annoy me here but i do not use mastodon thank you. i have not bought into Gargrons vision for the social media network mastodon, i prefer the fediverse tyvm  .
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Show threadDavid GerardJul 3, 2023

@glitch

> people like jack were just genuinely stupid libertarians at the time

Jack personally stopped Richard Spencer from being banned. He is cryptofash in the techfash tendency, like his peers.

Show threadGlitch (over count 1999)Jul 3, 2023
@davidgerard yes but at the time, at least the general perception wasn't on that side of the coin. the perception was that he was a stupid techlibertarian rather than an cryptofascist.

the acknowledgement that "hey, these social media sites are hosting nazis is like really bad" to the general public only happened after 2016 (if you want to get specific, only after unite the right in 2017 where twitter banned jason kessler for organizing that whole crap).

the "wow, jack was just doing damage control/really wanted people like spencer to stay" is for most people 20/20 hindsight.
Show threadDavid GerardJul 3, 2023
@glitch i think at this point your point has gone past coherence
Show threadGlitch (over count 1999)Jul 3, 2023
@davidgerard its definitely drifted off-topic. shouldn't have gotten caught up in talking about jack.

still dont get why people would want to use bluesky of all websites though. like... almost any other social media is better.