Fluffy Developer FoxJul 3, 2023

To anyone thinking about joining BlueSky, especially artists: everything you post is sent to a third party for AI labeling.

BlueSky uses AI to label content for moderation, and to do that they use a company called https://thehive.ai. If you look through their privacy policy, you will see that they can use content sent to them to train models for all their services, which include generative AI for both text and images.

Update: https://meow.social/@FluffyDeveloper/110652053858910840

#ai #bluesky

Show threadMurm is gone.
@FluffyDeveloper where is the link to their privacy policy? I can't find it with a simple search and I'm curious.
Jul 3, 2023 at 11:02amWeb
Show threadFluffy Developer FoxJul 3, 2023

@murm Here you go :)

Look under "How We Use Information We Obtain”, 4th bullet point.

https://thehive.ai/privacy

Show threadMurm is gone.Jul 3, 2023
@FluffyDeveloper no i mean bluesky's, sorry
Show threadFluffy Developer FoxJul 3, 2023

@murm No need to, here is the actual code calling on hive.ai API.

https://github.com/bluesky-social/atproto/blob/main/packages/bsky/src/labeler/hive.ts#L11

atproto/packages/bsky/src/labeler/hive.ts at main · bluesky-social/atproto

Social networking technology created by Bluesky. Contribute to bluesky-social/atproto development by creating an account on GitHub.

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Show threadMurm is gone.Jul 3, 2023
@FluffyDeveloper Frankly if bluesky doing this without stating as such in their own privacy policy that's twice as disgusting tbh. Thank you so much for pointing this out either way. I'll be sure to use this info to warn others
Show threadFluffy Developer FoxJul 3, 2023

@murm I cannot find their privacy policy either, nor any terms of service, even on their company site.

Maybe it's visible during signup?

Show threadMurm is gone.Jul 3, 2023
@FluffyDeveloper imagine if they just don't have one because "ITS IN BETA"

God.
Show threadFluffy Developer FoxJul 3, 2023
@murm I'd think they would have to have one regardless of the readiness of the software, especially for European users to follow the GDPR.
Show threadRuss GarrettJul 3, 2023

@FluffyDeveloper @murm it's here:

https://blueskyweb.xyz/support/privacy-policy

And the applicable part appears to be this bit (anything you post on Bluesky is completely public anyway, so I guess it doesn't really matter whether they send it somewhere or whether someone harvests it directly):

Privacy Policy - Bluesky

Show threadSimon FrankauJul 3, 2023

@russss @FluffyDeveloper @murm Hmmm. "Public" from a privacy point of view and from a usage point of view seem quite distinct. If I put a picture on my website, it's public, doesn't mean anyone can just use it how they like.

I think maybe https://blueskyweb.xyz/support/tos, section 7.4, is more relevant. Even then, those rights are in relation to running the service, so it looks borderline at best. Have I missed a more relevant section?

Terms of Service - Bluesky

Show threadRuss GarrettJul 3, 2023

@sgf @FluffyDeveloper @murm I think that bit's just standard boilerplate that some lawyer has regurgitated, and I wouldn't read too much into it. But I certainly don't think that restricts them from sending your content to some other AI service.

Two separate questions here: do they have a license to do this with your content? (Probably.) Is this allowed under the GDPR/CCPA/whatever? (I have no idea, but if it isn't then the whole distributed AT protocol thing is potentially unworkable.)

Show threadFluffy Developer FoxJul 3, 2023

@russss @sgf @murm I don’t think GDPR explicitly forbids it, hence why the EU commission is working on the AI act.

Besides, I would be surprised if they would do it without being sure that they were in the clear. There is probably some legal loophole or tiny print that lets them do it.

Show threadtripJul 3, 2023
@FluffyDeveloper @russss @sgf @murm likely that part is general so they have a license to do what they want in the broadest sense. Since distribution and potentially reframing are common activities, they can easily refer to those actions while later revealing that everyone agreed to their work being licensed when they release BS.AI or some stupid shit like that.