Jupiter RowlandJul 2, 2023
"The #Metaverse is dead" vs the probably rather unexpected 20th anniversary of #SecondLife. I couldn't help but ramble away about why some #VirtualWorlds became successes and other, more recent ones failed miserably. And I've made it an article so that mobile users can see the formatting, too.

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#SL20B #OpenSim #OpenSimulator #HorizonWorlds #HorizonWorldsIsNotTheMetaverse #Roblox #Minecraft
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Show threadJupiter Rowland
@Cheryl Furse

> Where is a crypto crash?
2022 especially.
#^https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptocurrency_bubble#2021%E2%80%932023_crash
#^https://www.npr.org/2022/12/29/1145297807/crypto-crash-ftx-cryptocurrency-bitcoin
More recently: #^https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2023/06/10/bloodbath-sudden-1-trillion-crypto-crash-sparks-fresh-coinbase-warning-and-tanks-the-price-of-bitcoin-ethereum-bnb-xrp-cardano-dogecoin-polygon-and-solana/

> Opensim a success? We are just 200 real people with thousands of alts.
That's your personal perception which you yourself think you "know" for a "fact".

If you really think this is a cold, hard fact, please prove it with a link to statistics.

By the way, here come cold, hard facts: the Hypergrid Business stats from June 15th.

#HypergridBusiness reports 424 active grids. Everyone would have to run at least two grids.

You refuse to believe that number? You think it's made up? It isn't just a number. Here's a list of all 424 grids. Count them. Then check the links. Almost all of them should be active.

125,841 standard regions on the reporting grids alone = each user has to have almost 630 standard regions on average.

#OSgrid alone reported 27,325 standard regions. If everyone had land on OSgrid, that'd be almost 130 standard regions per #OpenSim user.

Also, as of today, by the way, OSgrid lists 5,689 sims (taking varsims into account) on its official website, all by name. Only few of them are official. All the others are hosted by their owners and attached to OSgrid externally. OSgrid does not offer land rentals.

If every OpenSim user had land on OSgrid, everyone would have 28 sims or more on average attached to OSgrid. That's enough land for a stand-alone grid.

If you claim for a fact that this is bullshit, and either OSgrid or its staff makes up most of the names on the list, go in-world and check on the map whether these sims actually exist on the OSgrid map. Mind you, they may be offline. Many of them run on people's Windows PCs which they shut down when they don't need them. Nonetheless, these sims have existed and been online recently.

And that's only OSgrid. On average, everyone would have to own countless sims alll across the Hypergrid.

> I would compare much more with sim city. In opensim anyway, because most are just building landscapes and take pictures of it. SimCity has some more goals. lol

Goes to show you don't get out much.

What people actually do is hoard freebies and party. Female users also play Barbie with their avatars. And some have virtual sex.

But in general, most users don't spend more time than absolutely necessary decorating sims. Look at those many freebie sims that look like they were slapped together within one afternoon.

> You didn't mention thirdroom. Why?

Because I only wanted to pick out a few examples. If I had to include #ThirdRoom, I would also have to cover #VRchat and #Vircadia and #Overte and #RecRoom and #MozillaHubs etc. etc., just to give each and every virtual world out there a fair treatment. The article would have grown HUMONGOUS.

Even when it only came to free, open-source, decentralised virtual worlds, I would also have had to mention and analyse Vircadia, Overte and Mozilla Hubs and rip #Decentraland apart for lying into people's faces.

Besides, I know you're a huge Third Room fangurl. But Third Room is far from being as successful as #SecondLife or #Minecraft or #Roblox. It's a tech preview. It's in a very very early stage. It's far from having a community of thousands, having in-world places that you can spend weeks or months or years exploring, having in-world events etc.

Right now, Third Room is only just barely where Second Life was in 2002, only with public access. It is where OpenSim was in July 2007, immediately after OSgrid was launched, and before people flocked into OSgrid, claimed land and started building.

Also, since Third Room is based on Unity, this blocks creativity. Everything has to be built and scripted outside Third Room. That's like building an entire Second Life or OpenSim sim outside Second Life/OpenSim, scripting it outside Second Life/OpenSim, then dropping the whole thing into Second Life/OpenSim in one chunk, and if you want to change even a small detail, you have to go back outside Second Life/OpenSim and go through almost the whole process again because Unity doesn't let you do shit in-world.

> For opensim I only see one big problem. Stone age technology. Especially because of openGL and Firestorm still thinks we live in a 8 bit world.

32-bit. Second Life wouldn't even be technologically possible in 16-bit, much less 8-bit.

Also, you claim that #OpenGL is stone-age technology because its initial release was in 1992. Well, bad news for you: Your precious, oh-so-powerful MacBook Air M1 runs on an operating system from the age of dinosaurs. It's basically #BSD (macOS is based on Darwin, and Darwin is based on BSD), and BSD is from 1977.

Oh, and by the way, OpenGL has advanced over time. The minimum version required for the official Second Life viewer is 3.2 from August 2009, the minimum version recommended is 4.6 from July 2017.

> This can be changed if there would be young developers interested in creating high end graphics. But you have only nostalgic 60 years old men in opensim who are not skilled to develop new technology.

Another false claim of you which you "know" for a "fact": Everyone in OpenSim except for you is a crusty old geezer at an average age of 60 years.

> Thirdroom has 20 years old kids already who can develop new technology

LOL ROFL

Okay, let's check the factuality of this.

This is the Third Room code repository on GitHub.

The contributors, at least those that aren't bots, are:
Robert Long, software engineer
Nate Martin
Ajay Bura
Matthew Hodgson
Rhea Danzey, senior SRE
Hugh Nimmo-Smith
antpb
Travis Ralston, senior software developer

At the age of 20, you can't be an engineer. You can't have an engineer's degree of any kind. You're still in university or college.

At the age of 20, you certainly can't have "senior" in your official job title.

At least some of these developers don't even look like they're 20. Not 25 either. Not even 30.

So next time you present your personal perception as cold, hard, undeniable facts, prove them. Or don't complain when someone comes with actual facts that contradict what you say and proves these.
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Jul 3, 2023 at 9:50amWeb
Show threadCheryl FurseJul 3, 2023

@jupiter_rowland

oh my ... Jupiter

first: Bitcoin had always up and downs. Many want to see a crash. Especially EU who even wants to forbid crypto currencies. The truth is like for any assets: Put your coins in a hardware wallet, put it under your cushion and wait 4 years or so. Don't look every day on market what you get for your coin. It is normal that there are ups and downs. What people write is one thing. What bitcoin is worth today is another.

secondly: Ellen even estamates 100 real people in opensim lol If it is 100 or 200 or 300 or even 400 it doesn't matter. Success looks different. And you see it in the traffic charts of the OSW site. To come in traffic charts just because 2 or 3 Avis are there is not really proof for a sim to be crowded lol And if you go to the sims you see the owner afk with his alts or even like last time NPCs that are counting for traffic too. And to have proof that there are thousands of people in Opensim in whole anyway not even. Where are the sims with hundreds of people gathering? It never happened. If there would be thousands like you say then there would be in all the time I'm in opensim just one event where perhaps 100 people were.

I was on parties a lot. There were parties with 50 people. But afterwards I know also that the owner, the DJ and some of the guests let dance 3 or 4 Avis at the same time to have high traffic rate competing with other parties where they did the same lol

Look in Secondlife. There are really thousands of people and there are regions where you meet 250 people 24/7 and you have to get a ticket to stay for an hour like on HBC (Heavy Bondage Club) No one would put alts there because it is so laggy there. lol So all the 250 people are real people there.

You can believe in your fake statistics but you lie yourself in pocket if you believe fake statistics. We produce fake all the time by ourself. I'm often online with 2 avis. One is sitting at home on my sim and the other is on Lbsa to talk with people. So in this statistic on OSW site I posted from today with 174 avatars online 2 of them I were there. And I just use 2 Avatars. Esse e.g. has on her Trianon Complex mostly 3 Avatars running. From her own grid one and from two other grids each and look all the same. They are dancing there on stage and should be greeter. Mostly you won't be greeted or just by one of them who are all Esse. lol But she is always with her sim in traffic charts of OSW with 3 people mostly.

In this way I could tell much more.

How many regions are in Opensim doesn't matter anyway. Ask Glenys who has 100 4x4 sims on Wolfsterritories with Abby plus own grids. lol

Jimmy brings also some sims online for some time and shut them again. Just for storage. Other people have whole grids just for storage. Jimmy has also OSgrid sims connected to OSgrid on his own computer at home. Another computer than the one he runs Decadence Grid. I know many people who run 3 Grids at the same time and pretend to be different people as owners.

Etc PP I could tell much more. Just don't believe in your own Propaganda. Otherwise you can't decide anymore what is reality and what is just virtually in your head going on.

Thirdly: To the simcity comparison. Some of the sims you can see where party happened e.g are made in one afternoon and you get a lot of stuff just to put your lego together so that it works in an afternoon. Most female Avis who are real females don't play so much Barbie. For the first 2 weeks it is great but after you miss other things. Most female Avis who are real females don't have so much cybersex. I just know one exception who is insatiable. lol But most female avis I know are men who are for sex.

Then I come to the next point. I'm not a Fangurl. A girl with Dr. rer. nat. in front of my female name often pretending in science forum to be a man just to get some voice lol I know how you old men tick and I use it. By the way Ellen is also a girl with a Ph.D. Very rare but such is existing.

As scientist I'm not a fangirl of anything. I just look and analyze and compare. If thirdroom is really going to become a success I don't know. But the korean developers for all the realistic graphics (third party companies in south korea for thirdroom you can read on the homepage as well) are 20 years old kids and this is a big difference to all the 60 years old men who build in opensim Lego.

And that thirdroom works best on Safari seems to be a hint that there are also connections to apple. This is now just a suspect. But could be a hint.

To the 8 bit world of Firestorm. If you look what you can import and what not then you see that in principle Firestorm allows just that what you you got in the 8 bit world. You can't even import animated gifs and have to trick with 8x8 pics that can only have 1024 x 1024 px resolution. If this is not 8 bit world then I ask you what it is then? Just because you could import a 32 bit image (meaning of colours) doesn't mean that it is 32 bit world. lol