evacideThis is your regular reminder that if you allow a well-known rapist into your event, you are sending a signal to all survivors that you don't care about their safety.
Lookin' at you, CCC.
joeziehmer@evacide Kind of out of the loop on the acronym but always welcoming to new knowledge. What does CCC mean and whose the rapist?
Anubhav@joeziehmer @evacide Seems to be "Chaos Communication Congress", given references to Jacob Appelbaum & Germany elsewhere in the thread #noteToSelf
Paul DThat's correct. The nature of the allegations are such that they would result in a criminal prosecution if not for the fact that the victims are extremely mistrustful of authority of all kinds for reasons of their situation, activism and/or politics.
Particularly slimy.
Siguza@anubhav @joeziehmer @evacide CCC stands for both "Chaos Communication Congress" and "Chaos Computer Club", the latter being group organising the former, as well as many other events. In this context it's about the group, because they promoted and provided infrastructure to a 3rd-party event that readily welcomed Jacob Appelbaum at the afterparty, and when notified about this, the CCC's response seems to have been "not our event, not our problem".
ninavizz@evacide Gawd, they still haven't gotten that?!
Little Detritus@evacide There should be processes to prevent that. What's going on?
@littledetritus Jake is apparently making the rounds again.
@evacide @littledetritus I wasn't gonna ask—but, well, there ya go. He has a whole clique of defenders in Berlin, on an aside—and I suspect they got through. So much for the internet obfuscating distances and borders.
@littledetritus @ninavizz @evacide most of those who defend him or have defended him will no doubt have engaged into the same practices. As they seek to keep an image among themselves. In the past he would’ve fled into East Germany and the GDR. He’s to well known in Russia which means seeding operations and investments to protect him in mercenary fashion. Third party or shell operations to have him propped up.
@joeziehmer It was my observation when I was last in Berlin, that most of his defenders are young, attractive women. FWIW. CCC is really, really complicit in a complicated, toxic enablement dynamic. @littledetritus @evacide
@ninavizz @littledetritus @evacide Yet, in more expansive reporting evidence is that he did. Along with how the base will shout down others in building support for him. Kind of makes me think of Max Blumenthal.
@joeziehmer I'm a sexual assault survivor. I just believe in believing other survivors. Very simple. No expansive anything, needed. @littledetritus @evacide
@evacide Just to be sure, you are referring to Jacob Appelbaum?
Martijn Grooten@evacide they did not, did they?
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CCC@blotto Danke für den Hinweis.
urx@evacide is resocialization a concept that should be pursued? If yes, under which conditions?
@urx Not for this person, no.
@evacide but isnt resocialization a right everybody is having after being penalized? Same rights for everybody? What are the conditions?
@urx If you have repeatedly shown yourself to be a bad actor who does not operate in good faith and whose many survivors have made it clear that they would not want you in the space: no.
Seán Fenian@evacide @urx to expand a little more on that comment: Resocialization for a repeat offender should never be an automatic thing that just happens for free. You need to earn it and demonstrate that you deserve it.
Now I realize that this is a chicken-and-egg thing, that it's difficult to show that you deserve another chance when you're not allowed in. But when you're not allowed in because of your own repeated actions, that is on you, not on the community you have offended against. It's on you to find a way to show that you have mended your ways and deserve another chance.
Now I realize that this is a chicken-and-egg thing, that it's difficult to show that you deserve another chance when you're not allowed in. But when you're not allowed in because of your own repeated actions, that is on you, not on the community you have offended against. It's on you to find a way to show that you have mended your ways and deserve another chance.
rob@zakalwe @urx @evacide I see resocialisation as a practice rather than a right as such. I start with the liberal principle everybody should be as free as possible provided they do not infringe on other people's freedom. If someone has infringed other people's freedom, and particularly if they have done so repeatedly, then evidence of a change of heart, ie repentance, is required for readmission to take place. Being internal, that is difficult to prove, so any case needs careful management.
Cassandrich@evacide you would think that a bunch of security folks would at least care about the security of their conference attendees. :/