When future #historians look back at the period 2010-2024, how will they balance in their analysis the following factors, when analysing the policies & actions of the successive #Tory administrations of this period?

a. incompetence
b. ignorance (stupidity)
c. corruption
d. strategy (to include enrichment of particular groups)

c. & d. many well be linked but one can also see political scenarios where d. is the result of ideology not corruption.

(This work has, of course, already started!)

@ChrisMayLA6
I would say the intertwined c & d will be the vast majority of issue.

I would replace b with "misinformed". Tories seem to have a remarkably sheltered and misinformed view of the world and its drivers (because of c & d). Centrists and compromisers have been driven from the party, so we are left with people who do not use facts and are driven by ideology.

I give incompetence a mere 1%. The incompetent are there by strategy. Tories are very competent in what they want.

@TCatInReality

I guess the only issue I would have with 'misinformed' is it hints at a good faith attempt to understand the world which has miss-fired.... but I'm not convinced about the good faith element (at least in characterising b.)... but I do see your point... perhaps b.1 & b.2... (sorry this is starting to sound like feedback on a/your dissertation proposal, apologies)

@ChrisMayLA6
I appreciate the feedback

I struggled finding the right word, but settled on "misinformed". I certainly agree that no good faith has been earned. Perhaps " willfully misinformed" is better. I'm also open to any alternative terms.

But my point remains. Tories are not motivated by stupidity/ignorance or incompetence. Rather by a distinct world view of corporatism, "natural order" and pursuit of power/money. IMHO.

@TCatInReality @ChrisMayLA6 I like "wilfully misinformed"; nice phrase, and thought provoking.

I have felt myself for a while that the incompetence on daily display is a symptom of a deeper cause. I originally saw the deeper cause as an individual phenomenon, but now I'm beginning to wonder if it's more class based. IMO the defining feature of govt since Johnson is that they don't care. About anything. Competence takes time and effort, and they don't care enough to do that. 1/2

@TCatInReality @ChrisMayLA6 2/2 I am now wondering if that is the outcome of a trajectory that might be evident in British politics since the days of Thatcher - a gradual detachment of the right wing elite from the rest of us. They have gradually got used to the fact that they can do anything and get away with it. And they do.

It's ironic that it has been largely brought about by the effort to get the UK out of the EU, which its proponents had to care about a great deal in the beginning.

@robparsons @ChrisMayLA6
I have been down a similar path. My conclusions:

1) Tories (esp top leaders) believe in a "natural order", that entitles them to lead and to profit. Suffering and side effects are for other, lesser beings.

2) Tory leadership and aspirants care *deeply* about that order - mostly prestige, power and money. Never forget, Mr Johnson's energy spent on gold wallpaper.

1/2

@robparsons @ChrisMayLA6

3) It's not exactly "class", although it is that. Those who can help their mates will always get a piece of the pie. That creates a window for aspirants to get ahead

4) This didn't start with Thatcher. Certainly Brexit, party purges and the rise of misinformation have all accelerated the trend.

5) It's not just the UK. It's a worldwide trend and it's evolution is incompatible with democracy. An informed and active populace is the only solution.
#GeneralEelctionNow

@TCatInReality @ChrisMayLA6 I could agree with all of those, but I think it is perhaps more pronounced in the UK than elsewhere. Also with regard to 1, I agree it's always been there, but for most of its proponents, there has been an understanding that the people need to be kept at least notionally onside. That understanding has now been destroyed, because experience, especially since 2016 has shown them that they can get away with anything. <more follows>

@robparsons @ChrisMayLA6
I fully agree, except about it being more pronounced in the UK.

The right has been rising around the world for a decade, largely on the back of disinformation. Brexit and the 2016 election of Trump definitely played critical roles in validating the approach. Both created massive cultural divisions from formerly minor issues and were used to seize power and wealth. Of course, it accelerated.

@TCatInReality @ChrisMayLA6 I accept that the UK thing is debatable. In many ways the US is worse than us; I'd hate to live in some of their states. But I think there's something more coherent about what happened in the UK. But I think that fuzzily - needs more thought.

@robparsons @ChrisMayLA6
I agree with your overall premise.

I just think it's a broad trend - and trying to rank the severity is not very helpful.

But I'd be happy to hear your further thoughts on the UK

@TCatInReality @ChrisMayLA6 "trying to rank the severity is not very helpful" - yes, that's a good point. "Further thoughts" will take a while. One immediate thought is that maybe some thinking around a taxonomy rather than a ranking might be useful - similarities and differences of right wing re-emergence around the world. Possibly a red herring, but in the UK land ownership has been fundamental to the development of the economy <more follows>
@TCatInReality @ChrisMayLA6 also in Brazil though on a vastly different scale - the legacy of the latifundia and that social pattern; the existence and exploitability of the Amazon rainforest; in US very different because of much bigger land mass, but perhaps more overtly racialised. Ho hum. (I realised very late in life that I should have focussed on geography from an early age.)
@robparsons @ChrisMayLA6
All excellent observations.
Keep thinking deeply. Happy to hear your thoughts.