@supernovae @mastodonmigration @_dmh

I am not "flexing", I am genuinely worried.

Why do you think I have run my accounts for the past three years?

I set them up as a direct result of concern over Meta's human rights record, and similar issues on other centralised social networks.

Now you are suggesting people should be federating with this corporation.

@feditips @supernovae @mastodonmigration @_dmh So in your opinion there's no value in seeing what Facebook users post? Or in them seeing what you post? Interesting. We need to be uniting people, not dividing them according to your politics or theirs.

@sammydee @supernovae @mastodonmigration @_dmh

People are fine, the company is not. If everyone currently using Meta comes over here that's great!

But the COMPANY is not great.

Allowing that company to have control and influence over the Fediverse is a really, really bad idea. It will cause bad things to happen.

@feditips @supernovae @mastodonmigration @_dmh We all know that all of their billions of customers aren't going to be here any time soon.

Agreed Meta should not control the Fediverse. I can't see any way they can.

Influence? Yawn. Everyone has an influence.

You can't have it both ways. If Meta's users are to be cut off from the Fediverse then the Fediverse isn't a free and open place. Pick one - a new walled garden run by you, or openness. I vote for openness. Federate with everyone, regardless of YOUR politics. :)

@sammydee @supernovae @mastodonmigration @_dmh

"Pick one - a new walled garden run by you, or openness. I vote for openness. Federate with everyone, regardless of YOUR politics. :)"

Genocide and human rights abuses are not about politics.

If someone thinks there is a legitimate case for them, then they have lost their moral compass completely.

A walled garden is where you cannot leave or create your own space, i.e. Facebook/Meta.

@feditips @supernovae @mastodonmigration @_dmh How someone decided to conflate "Meta" and "Genocide" is a level of mental gymnastics that I cannot comprehend.

If the Fediverse is a walled garden where I am locked OUT of communicating with billions of people, the Fediverse is a failure.

Let USERS make choices. Not holier-than-thou activists.

Y'all are becoming what you hate the most, and y'all might want to think on that a bit.

@sammydee @supernovae @mastodonmigration @_dmh

" How someone decided to conflate "Meta" and "Genocide" is a level of mental gymnastics that I cannot comprehend."

I know a lot of people might be in denial about it, but it is worth looking at the actual reports about it:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/dec/06/rohingya-sue-facebook-myanmar-genocide-us-uk-legal-action-social-media-violence

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-facebooks-systems-promoted-violence-against-rohingya-meta-owes-reparations-new-report/

Rohingya sue Facebook for £150bn over Myanmar genocide

Victims in US and UK legal action accuse social media firm of failing to prevent incitement of violence

The Guardian

@sammydee @supernovae @mastodonmigration @_dmh

"Let USERS make choices. Not holier-than-thou activists."

The Fediverse was built by volunteers and activists. That's why there are rules against bigotry, no ads, no trackers, etc.

@feditips @supernovae @mastodonmigration @_dmh And yet you want to pick and choose which users I can interact with based on your politics. Strange.

@sammydee @supernovae @mastodonmigration @_dmh

Human rights are not politics.

@feditips @supernovae @mastodonmigration @_dmh You won't find any company clean enough to work with, then. Enjoy making your own clothes.

@feditips @supernovae @mastodonmigration @_dmh "Failed to prevent genocide" isn't "genocide". Good luck finding any companies with clean enough hands to interact with. Shall we defederate Red Hat (IBM helped the Nazis in WWII)? How about VW? Etc.

Because a huge company's moderation policies / software weren't good enough for you is hardly a reason to chop a billion users off of the Fediverse.

@sammydee @feditips @supernovae @mastodonmigration They're not being chopped off from the fediverse. That would imply they were already a part of the fediverse and people were advocating to disconnect them. The *people* are welcome on the fedi, if they choose to join, it's the *corporation* that many people don't want in this space. Looking at, for example, how Google has co-opted public decision processes for web standards to codify their preferences as de facto standards makes it clear that a large company operating in a space built on open protocols can in fact redirect the whole protocol to serve their business needs and preferences.

I can understand wanting to connect with people, I also want to connect with people I can't connect with easily because they primarily use FB/WhatsApp/Insta, but it's unreasonable to insist everyone on the fedi welcome Meta with open arms.