whenigrowup356ELI5: Would it be possible for a "fediverse" app to exist?
Artemis is an upcoming iOS app that is supposed to work for the whole “threadiverse” (so Kbin and Lemmy).
I think it is generally doable but it end up being double the work - you have to take the independently designed architectures of kbin and lemmy and marry them under one UI. This could lead to more bugs and slower development, especially early on. I can see what most apps are focusing on one or the other.
Implementing Mastodon would be even harder, because it’s post at architecture doesn’t follow the same pattern as kbin and lemmy’s . Would people really use an app where Reddit-style threads are mixed in with Twitter-style posts? I think it’s better that Mastodon is kept separate tbh.
Dark_BladeYeah, someone could make a Fediverse app that works with everything, but it’d have to be someone with a lot of time on their hands and enough acumen to make something that can put up a UI for all frontends that can compete with both Ivory and…well, whatever emerges as the big Lemmy/Kbin app.
staticKbin is doing this for a bit, see the microblogging tab.
Boost is the same as mastodon, and you can follow users.
Boost is the same as mastodon, and you can follow users.
chimayyes, but you can't see a timeline with followed users only, at least I couldn't find how.
exscapeArtemis is also for Android.
You would have to support each service separately, because they all work differently.
What connects Lemmy, Mastodon and other fediverse services is the ActivityPub protocol, that's the standardized communication protocol that makes everything run. The individual instances run different software that offer entirely different APIs (application programming interface; basically the language that defines how an app talks to a service) so in order to support Mastodon, Lemmy and Kbin, an app must explicitly implement the APIs for those three services.
So an app that generally just supports every service that will be added to the fediverse in the future can't be made unless we agree on some form of standard API, which we haven't (yet) and which may not even be feasable, because different services have much different capabilities.
A fediverse discord clone would offer completely different data structures and functionality than Lemmy, so an app that magically just works with both isn't possible to make.
I wouldn’t say it’s not possible it’s just too hard for the reward. The app would not be user-friendly because of the very different kinds of services that exists. OP just imagine you had an one app that basically lets you access discord, twitter, instagram, Facebook, Reddit and others. It would be possible but it’s a lot of work for a really crappy app. That app would be messy and cluttered and not a good experience.
Well, technically there are apps that let you access all those services. They're called browsers.
…and I find that Lemmy/kbin/Mastondon (and the rest?) work really well in a browser, obviating the need for dedicated apps. Dedicated apps are nice though.
It's impossible to make an app that will support the whole fediverse, including apps that have not been developed yet, that's what I meant. Of course with enough work you can add each existing one individually, nobody will stop you from doing that.
ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝In Mastodon you can follow people (and Lemmy communities) in other Fediverse implementations. It's not the full featured experience you get on them but you get a feed of the posts and can comment and like them, giving them a boost there.
It's early days and I'm still experimenting with it but it looks like I might be using Mastodon as my hub for the Fediverse.
EnglishMobsterFWIW, Kbin integrates a lot more smoothly with Mastodon than Lemmy does. Lemmy does this weird thing with boosts, but Kbin looks like native posts.
KaldoThis is true but I am still very confused about various kbin submission types. I once created a microblog post and then when I later checked that community on its lemmy domain view, my microblog was a whole thread with the entire contents as both title and body of it. Some kbin threads also show up on mastodon (articles IIRC) but others don't and there is no visual indication in the app which one it's going to be.
InterSynthClosest thing I know is Fedilab, which works with Mastodon, Pleroma, Pixelfed and Friendica. While compatible with each other, each fediverse service uses different parts and features of ActivityPub. It's technically possible to build an app that does it all, but doesn't really sound sensible.
jherazobExactly what i was thinking: Possible? Yes, absolutely. A good idea? Probably not, it'd be a confusing mess of an app
Why would that be the case? You're pretty much already in the middle of it. Look up top. Microblogs, threads, magazines. Throw on some hashtags and you've got yourself a stew going.
Let's differentiate between a Fediverse service, like kbin or Calckey, and something like Fedilab, which is a mobile app.
Fedilab supporting 8 different services is different from any one service being interoperable with 7 others. This is because the mobile apps aren't using ActivityPub to talk to the different servers, they're using each service's API. And they don't all have the same API, or support the same feature set.
Consider Lemmy and kbin. Lemmy doesn't have support for thr microblogging feed, so an app that supported both would either need special support for the microblog on kbin, or exclude it.
Then say they want to roll out Mastodon and Calckey support. Well, Mastodon is a relatively simple microblog in many respects, with posts, and lists, and favouritrs, but Calckey has a "Channels" feature, emoji reactions, instant messaging, "Antennae" saved searches, local-only posting, and advanced Markup features. Everything that makes Calckey different from Mastodon just gets hidden if special development isn't done to actually support Calckey features.
And then there's Pleroma and Akkoma, which have many similar features, but different implementations, and so on, and so forth.
Yeah, it doesn't make much sense to make the app interoperable, when so much effort is spent to make the whole website interoperable, and that allows you to communicate with the rest of the fediverse anyway.
supermursI remember having an app like that on my old Nokia smart phone. The app supported Twitter, Foursquare, Facebook and some other social platform too. I can only imagine how difficult it was to maintain.
Peruvian_SkiesI remember that app. It was probably just four separate backends with a common frontend.
mfzAs ActivityPub is just an underlying protocol, the question is similar to asking something like "Is it possible to make an Internet app for everything?".
There will be new ways to use the #fediverse in the future and new applications will be developed and adopted and it makes little sense in trying to provide every possible way to view the fediverse in an ever playing catch-up implementation of a view into it.
Try to look at it as the Internet itself.
It's an attempt at providing a finite and limited answer to an open ended question. Doesn't make a lot of sense.
An internet app for everything is literally a fucking web browser.
Which is all most apps are.
There's nothing technically keeping a unified Fediverse app from happening outside of any account conflation limitations that exist. But even then it should be possible to handle multiple logins on the same app.
Exactly. There's no reason you couldn't create a mastodon/kbin/lemmy/+ app which lets you log in and switch personalities on the fly, either aggregating all feeds into one or showing you individual feeds (like the Gmail All Inboxes). You could even have custom aggregation, like having it show you all of the c/+m/ [!foo@*.ext] threads in one combined feed so that you can see everything related to foo in one place no matter what instance its hosted on.
All it takes is someone who wants to create it and the programming to make it and maintain it. Which is kind of like saying all I need is a desire to retire and five million dollars; no matter how unlikely to happen, it's still a true statement.
Technically I think yes, you could pull all the data you are subscribed to from the instances. Getting the UI to be clean would be the major challenge imo.
I would like to see this though. Maybe I'll start a project I will abandon soon after 🤣
I would like to see this though. Maybe I'll start a project I will abandon soon after 🤣
nightscoutI would love this! At least for Mastodon and Lemmy, which I consider somewhat similar. I use Mona for Mastodon and would love have a separate tab within that app for accessing Lemmy. I just really like the design and feature set of the app and having it extended to Lemmy would be so nice.